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From: "Ken Garlington" <Ken.Garlington@computer.org>
Subject: Re: Ada to C++ translator?
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 13:34:02 GMT
Date: 2001-02-16T13:34:02+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e%9j6.251$uU2.28276829@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 96j1bo$723@news.kvaerner.com

Don't expect C++ to have better productivity numbers than C? Seems like a
statement that needs to be defended with data to me...

IMO, this thread is one of the reasons why Ada is so hard to sell. There are
so many claims that Ada is "obviously" better than all other options in all
other circumstances that it makes me cringe. Don't get me wrong -- I love
Ada -- but advocates hype it so hard that it sounds like used-car salesmen.
We have built products in both C and Ada; our data doesn't show a *12-to-1*
difference in debug times!


"Tarjei T. Jensen" <tarjei.jensen@kvaerner.com> wrote in message
news:96j1bo$723@news.kvaerner.com...
:
: Robert Brantley wrote >
: >We are re-using code from a legacy system, and we have spent a lot of
: >effort on binding this legacy Ada code to the RTOS we are using.  As the
: >work
: >has progressed it has become increasing apparent how much work is
involved
: >in mating the Ada code to the RTOS and the RTOS's development tools.  A
: >great
: >deal of complexity could be cut out if we move the application code to
the
: >RTOS
: >native language or it's derivative C++.
:
: Perhaps the following table from
: http://www.rtcgroup.com/cotsjournal/cots7800/cots7800p60.html might be of
: interest when you discuss the costs of using Ada. BTW Don't expect better
: numbers from C++.
:
: |language | Lines /| Errors /     | Time /  | Total /       |
: |         | Error  | 10,000 Lines | Error   | 10,000 (hours)|
: |---------+--------+--------------+---------+---------------|
: |  Ada    |  270   |      37      |  20 min |  12.35 hours  |
: |---------+--------+--------------+---------+---------------|
: |   C     |   80   |     125      | 240 min | 500 hours     |
: +-----------------------------------------------------------+
:
: Remember time is subjective. You don't really know how much time you spend
: unless you measure.
:
:
: Greetings,
:
:
:
:





  reply	other threads:[~2001-02-16 13:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-02-09 19:17 Ada to C++ translator? Robert Brantley
2001-02-09 20:48 ` Britt Snodgrass
2001-02-09 23:35   ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-02-09 23:47   ` Brian Rogoff
2001-02-12 15:07     ` Ted Dennison
2001-02-12 15:49       ` Brian Rogoff
2001-02-13 19:36         ` Ted Dennison
2001-02-12 20:25       ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
2001-02-11 10:36 ` Gautier
2001-02-11 11:15   ` Pascal Obry
2001-02-11 11:15   ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2001-02-12 10:36     ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
2001-02-11 13:15   ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-02-11 14:50   ` Ken Garlington
2001-02-11 15:58   ` Florian Weimer
2001-02-11 17:05   ` Aaro Koskinen
2001-02-15 23:47   ` Robert Brantley
2001-02-16 15:20     ` Ted Dennison
     [not found]       ` <cyik6.1725$DE.61421700@newssvr10-int.news.prodigy.com>
     [not found]         ` <%Wvk6.102$aw5.380@www.newsranger.com>
2001-02-21  0:33           ` Ken Garlington
2001-02-21 10:54             ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2001-02-21 12:40               ` Ken Garlington
2001-02-21 12:56                 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2001-02-21 18:36             ` Brian Rogoff
2001-02-21 19:05               ` Marin David Condic
2001-02-21 21:26                 ` Simon Wright
2001-02-23 21:05                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-02-24  8:38                     ` Simon Wright
2001-02-24 16:22                     ` Nick Williams
2001-02-24 19:22                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-02-24 19:38                         ` Ken Garlington
2001-02-25 15:21                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-02-12 15:33 ` Ted Dennison
2001-02-12 22:34   ` UML (Was: Ada to C++ translator?) Frode Tennebø
2001-02-14  4:48     ` Ken Garlington
2001-02-14  6:19       ` Ray Blaak
2001-02-14 20:38       ` Nick Williams
2001-02-15  7:57         ` Ray Blaak
2001-02-15 11:14           ` Pierre Dissaux
2001-02-15 23:37   ` Ada to C++ translator? Robert Brantley
2001-02-16  0:34     ` tmoran
2001-02-16  4:59       ` Lao Xiao Hai
2001-02-16 15:20         ` Marin David Condic
2001-02-16 11:02     ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2001-02-16 13:34       ` Ken Garlington [this message]
2001-02-16 14:55         ` Marin David Condic
2001-02-16 21:04         ` tmoran
2001-02-16 15:44     ` Ted Dennison
2001-02-21 13:21       ` Bob Jacobs
2001-02-21 14:14         ` Ted Dennison
2001-02-21 14:59           ` Bob Jacobs
2001-02-21 15:58         ` Martin Dowie
2001-02-21 16:15           ` Bob Jacobs
2001-02-21 16:57             ` Ted Dennison
2001-02-22  1:39               ` Andrew Berg
2001-02-22  9:47                 ` STL for Ada (was: Re: Ada to C++ translator?) Stefan Nobis
2001-02-22 15:20                   ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-02-22 15:30                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-02-22 17:55                   ` Brian Rogoff
2001-02-22  9:09             ` Ada to C++ translator? Martin Dowie
2001-02-22 13:32               ` Bob Jacobs
2001-02-22 14:30               ` Ted Dennison
2001-02-22  9:17             ` Martin Dowie
2001-02-15 23:09 ` Robert Brantley
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-02-22 10:40 gautier
2001-02-22  9:24 gautier
2001-02-22 10:21 ` Martin Dowie
2001-02-21 15:44 gautier
1998-02-04  0:00 Ada to C translator ? Stewart French
1998-02-05  0:00 ` Gautier
1994-11-16 13:10 Eric Labbe
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