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From: Maciej Sobczak <no.spam@no.spam.com>
Subject: Re: GNAT GPL Edition Maintenance and Upgrades
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 16:14:47 +0200
Date: 2005-10-28T16:14:47+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <djtbon$nok$1@sunnews.cern.ch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <43621926$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net>

Martin Dowie wrote:

>>I guess that for any product there exists an arbitrary meaning of
>>"good enough" that can prevent it from being released, ever.
>>
>>The version of GNAT that I got with my Linux distribution allows me to
>>overflow the Integer type without any exceptions at run time (and I
>>can also define my own range and overflow it without error). I guess
>>that with some chosen meaning of "good enough" this compiler would
>>not be released.
> 
> Even with "-gnato"????

That's exactly the point - I *can* use -gnato and get the expected 
functionality (which means errors when overflowing), but I had to learn 
about this switch the hard way. I've expected the Ada compiler to be 
compliant *by default* and force me to go through some pain to overcome 
the rules, not the other way round, so for me this was disappointing. 
This is where the arbitrary meaning of "good enough" comes into play. 
There's always appropriate definition of "good enough" that makes a 
particular product satisfactory or disappointing - depending on what we 
want to prove.

Coming back to the question why g++ is released in spite of the "issues" 
- it took many years of development to get it more or less compliant to 
the C++ standard from 1998, so all releases really had/have issues. Not 
releasing would mean that the community could not gain any new 
experience - and this experience and resulting feedback is important for 
the project (and the community) to make progress.


-- 
Maciej Sobczak : http://www.msobczak.com/
Programming    : http://www.msobczak.com/prog/



  reply	other threads:[~2005-10-28 14:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-10-04 20:15 GNAT GPL Edition Maintenance and Upgrades Marc A. Criley
2005-10-05  8:04 ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-10-05  8:58   ` michael bode
2005-10-05  9:39   ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2005-10-05 11:10     ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-10-05 12:50       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2005-10-05 14:06         ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-10-05 14:40           ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-10-05 15:38           ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2005-10-05 16:22           ` Poul-Erik Andreasen
2005-10-05 18:28           ` Dr. Adrian Wrigley
2005-10-13 21:13           ` wojtek
2005-10-05 14:06       ` Alex R. Mosteo
2005-10-05 15:02         ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-10-05 21:25       ` Björn Persson
2005-10-06  1:18       ` David Trudgett
2005-10-06  7:18         ` David Trudgett
2005-10-06  8:03         ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-10-06  8:53         ` Hyman Rosen
2005-10-05 12:25   ` Marc A. Criley
2005-10-05 18:17   ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2005-10-05 18:28     ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-10-06 18:20       ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2005-10-06 19:20         ` Hyman Rosen
2005-10-06 22:27         ` Simon Wright
2005-10-07  5:25           ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2005-10-07  5:54             ` Simon Wright
2005-10-07 18:43               ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2005-10-08  6:18                 ` Simon Wright
2005-10-07 11:57             ` Simon Clubley
2005-10-07 12:29               ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-10-07 12:50               ` Jeff Creem
2005-10-25 15:44                 ` Samuel Tardieu
2005-10-25 16:35                   ` Szymon Guz
2005-10-26 13:43                     ` Martin Krischik
2005-10-25 20:47                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-10-25 21:13                     ` Samuel Tardieu
2005-10-25 22:29                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-10-25 22:41                         ` Samuel Tardieu
2005-10-26 10:53                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-10-26 10:12                     ` Steve Whalen
2005-10-27 11:02                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-10-27 13:39                         ` Hyman Rosen
2005-10-27 14:05                           ` Szymon Guz
2005-10-27 14:25                             ` Pascal Obry
2005-10-27 15:50                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-10-27 16:59                               ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2005-10-27 17:09                                 ` Szymon Guz
2005-10-27 17:33                                   ` Pascal Obry
2005-10-27 19:18                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-10-27 19:49                                     ` Szymon Guz
2005-10-27 19:14                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-10-28  6:41                                   ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2005-10-30 14:17                                     ` Martin Krischik
2005-10-30 17:44                                       ` Jeff Creem
2005-10-30 19:53                                       ` Anh Vo
2005-10-28  5:10                         ` Steve Whalen
2005-10-28 11:18                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-10-28 11:47                             ` Maciej Sobczak
2005-10-28 12:34                               ` none
2005-10-28 12:35                               ` Emmanuel Briot
2005-10-28 12:35                               ` Martin Dowie
2005-10-28 14:14                                 ` Maciej Sobczak [this message]
2005-10-28 21:35                               ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2005-10-29 12:25                               ` Jeff Creem
2005-10-28  5:41                         ` Steve Whalen
2005-10-28  8:38                           ` Hyman Rosen
2005-10-28 10:20                             ` Niklas Holsti
2005-10-28 18:07                             ` Michael Bode
2005-10-31 14:58                             ` Marc A. Criley
2005-11-01 16:54                             ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2005-11-01 16:40                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-11-02 16:15                                 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2005-11-02 17:36                             ` Steffen Huber
2005-11-02 19:08                               ` Martin Dowie
2005-11-02 19:09                               ` Stefan Bellon
2005-10-28 18:52                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2005-11-02 21:14                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2005-10-07 23:11               ` Björn Persson
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