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From: dewar@merv.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar)
Subject: Re: Why C++ is successful
Date: 1998/08/01
Date: 1998-08-01T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <dewar.901945054@merv> (raw)
In-Reply-To: slrn6s04b6.1jf.jdege@jdege.visi.com

Jeffrey said

<<Partly, but Fortran also has the advantage of lacking pointers.  The fact
that C/C++ allow you to modify a variable through pointers in non-obvious
ways put real limits on what sort of optimizations the compiler can safely
make.  Fortran back when I used it was also strictly a static language
i.e., all local variables were, in C terms, statically allocated, out
of BSS, not allocated off the stack on function entry, and all arguments
were pass-by-reference.  This made function entry and exit much faster.
(no stack frames to release, no copying of pass-by-value arguments, etc.)
Of course, this also meant no recursive function calls.
>>

This is old fashioned thinking, on modern processors, the normal situation
is that accessing static global memory is more expensive than accessing
local stack storage. 

Note incidentally that Fortran is carefully designed to give the implementor
the choice between using static and stack storage (i.e. the characterization
of "strictly static" applies to the *implementation* not the *language*)

It is also not at all the case that passing by reference is necessarily
faster than passing by copy, and many Fortran compilers use pass by 
copy for simple variables.





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1998-07-25  0:00                 ` Bug story Fergus Henderson
1998-07-29  0:00                   ` Robert I. Eachus
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1998-07-28  0:00           ` Why C++ is successful Rakesh Malhotra
1998-07-29  0:00             ` Dave Martin
1998-07-29  0:00               ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
1998-07-29  0:00               ` John McCabe
1998-07-29  0:00                 ` nabbasi
1998-08-08  0:00                   ` Michael Young
1998-07-29  0:00               ` Rakesh Malhotra
1998-07-29  0:00               ` Pat Rogers
1998-07-29  0:00                 ` Brian Rogoff
1998-07-29  0:00                   ` Charles Hixson
1998-07-29  0:00                     ` falis
1998-07-30  0:00                     ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-07-31  0:00                       ` Charles Hixson
1998-08-01  0:00                     ` Jay Martin
1998-08-02  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-01  0:00                         ` Jay Martin
1998-08-02  0:00                           ` Matthew Heaney
1998-08-02  0:00                             ` Lars Farm
1998-08-02  0:00                               ` Matthew Heaney
1998-08-02  0:00                                 ` Lars Farm
1998-08-10  0:00                               ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-02  0:00                           ` Matthew Heaney
1998-08-02  0:00                             ` Jay Martin
1998-08-02  0:00                               ` Matthew Heaney
1998-07-29  0:00                   ` John McCabe
1998-07-29  0:00                 ` Juan Carlos Gil Montoro
1998-07-29  0:00                   ` Pat Rogers
1998-07-29  0:00                     ` Jay Martin
1998-07-30  0:00                       ` dennison
1998-07-30  0:00                     ` Ell
1998-07-29  0:00                       ` Pat Rogers
1998-07-30  0:00                         ` Ell
1998-07-30  0:00                         ` Ell
1998-07-29  0:00                       ` Larry Elmore
1998-07-30  0:00                         ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-08-01  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar [this message]
1998-07-30  0:00                         ` Ell
1998-07-29  0:00             ` Tom Moran
1998-07-29  0:00               ` Ell
1998-07-29  0:00                 ` Tom Moran
1998-07-29  0:00                   ` Ell
1998-08-06  0:00 Robert Dewar
1998-08-07  0:00 ` Jason Stokes
1998-08-08  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-10  0:00     ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-11  0:00     ` n
1998-08-14  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
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1998-08-14  0:00           ` Robert L. Spooner
1998-08-10  0:00   ` Darren New
1998-08-07  0:00 ` harald.mueller
1998-08-07  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-08  0:00     ` Patrick Logan
1998-08-07  0:00   ` Brian Rogoff
1998-08-07  0:00     ` Timothy Welch
1998-08-08  0:00       ` Dale Stanbrough
1998-08-08  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-08  0:00         ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-08-08  0:00           ` Patrick Logan
1998-08-10  0:00           ` Laurent GUERBY
1998-08-12  0:00             ` Andy Ward
1998-08-12  0:00               ` Matt Kennel
1998-08-14  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-13  0:00                 ` nasser
1998-08-19  0:00                   ` Don Harrison
1998-08-14  0:00                 ` Ell
1998-08-17  0:00                   ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-17  0:00                     ` Patrick Logan
1998-08-18  0:00                       ` Samuel Tardieu
1998-08-14  0:00                 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
1998-08-14  0:00                   ` Robert Martin
1998-08-16  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-16  0:00                       ` Rick Smith
1998-08-17  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-17  0:00                           ` Rick Smith
1998-08-16  0:00                       ` Robert Martin
1998-08-15  0:00                   ` Mr Ada
1998-08-16  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-15  0:00                   ` Patrick Doyle
1998-08-15  0:00                     ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
1998-08-16  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-17  0:00                         ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
1998-08-16  0:00                       ` Patrick Doyle
1998-08-16  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-14  0:00                 ` Patrick Doyle
1998-08-16  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-16  0:00                     ` Patrick Doyle
1998-08-18  0:00                     ` Martin Tom Brown
1998-08-16  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-16  0:00                     ` Patrick Doyle
1998-08-11  0:00           ` stilcom
1998-08-12  0:00             ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-08-12  0:00               ` Andrew Koenig
1998-08-14  0:00               ` Stefan Tilkov
1998-08-08  0:00         ` Larry Elmore
1998-08-08  0:00         ` Phlip
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1998-08-06  0:00 Robert Dewar
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