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From: dewar@merv.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar)
Subject: Re: Papers saying Ada as an overly complex language and hard to implement
Date: 1998/02/17
Date: 1998-02-17T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <dewar.887723305@merv> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 34E91572.CE9CEED2@cs.utexas.edu


<<Now I've got 4 papers about the "complex" or "difficult" problems of Ada. It's
DONE!

Here I don't mean you're wrong because the ideas are perhaps out-of-date.

Anyway, thank you very much.
Your solid and extensive knowledge is pretty impressive.
>>


Be careful to make sure that these papers that you have dug up (you might 
want to give references) are talking about Ada, and not about the now
obsolete Ada 83 language. It sounds like your boss is trying to assemble
a case for not using Ada (without particularly wanting to know anything
about it), in which case, probably any old thing will serve as an excuse,
but if you are genuinely attempting to assess the problem of complexity,
you might want to make sure you have relevant data.

As for richness leading to complexity, that's misleading. For example, the
exception facility of Ada definitelty makes the language more complex from
the point of view of bothg implementation and definition, but it makes
*using* Ada to solve a problem that requires exception handling simpler,
and it is this kind of sinmplicitly that is most important to programmers.

Finally note that if the bottom line of all this is "Ada is complex, 
therefore we will use C++", then this is amont typical, but pathetic
excuses, and is without technical substance.

Of course much language choice is made out of ignorance and familiarity.

Personally, I would much prefer people to just admit to the random nature
of their decisions "We are using C++ because we know it", or "We are
using C++ because Joe Shmo said it was a good idea", rather than trying
to support their choices with bvogus technical arguments.





  parent reply	other threads:[~1998-02-17  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1998-02-15  0:00 Papers saying Ada as an overly complex language and hard to implement Yongxiang Gao
1998-02-15  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1998-02-16  0:00   ` Brian Rogoff
1998-02-16  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1998-02-16  0:00       ` Brian Rogoff
1998-02-17  0:00         ` Andi Kleen
1998-02-17  0:00           ` Brian Rogoff
1998-02-17  0:00       ` Geert Bosch
1998-02-19  0:00         ` Parsing Ada and C++ Steve Furlong
1998-02-16  0:00   ` Papers saying Ada as an overly complex language and hard to implement Yongxiang Gao
1998-02-16  0:00     ` Brian Rogoff
1998-02-16  0:00     ` Ralph Paul
1998-02-16  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1998-02-16  0:00       ` Yongxiang Gao
1998-02-17  0:00         ` Joe Gwinn
1998-02-17  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1998-02-18  0:00             ` Larry Kilgallen
1998-02-18  0:00             ` vonhend
1998-02-18  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1998-02-18  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1998-02-22  0:00               ` Simon Wright
1998-02-18  0:00           ` Larry Kilgallen
1998-02-17  0:00             ` Dan Moran
1998-02-18  0:00             ` Joe Gwinn
1998-02-17  0:00         ` Robert Dewar [this message]
1998-02-18  0:00           ` Yongxiang Gao
1998-02-19  0:00             ` John English
1998-02-22  0:00               ` Luis Espinal
1998-02-22  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1998-02-23  0:00                   ` Nick Roberts
1998-02-24  0:00                     ` Jonas Nygren
1998-02-24  0:00                       ` Larry Kilgallen
1998-02-25  0:00                         ` Nick Roberts
1998-02-25  0:00                         ` Keith Thompson
1998-02-20  0:00             ` Markus Kuhn
1998-02-20  0:00               ` Laurent Guerby
1998-03-03  0:00               ` Matthew Heaney
1998-03-03  0:00                 ` Stanley R. Allen
1998-02-19  0:00           ` Ada's complexity Steve Furlong
1998-02-20  0:00             ` Markus Kuhn
1998-02-17  0:00         ` Papers saying Ada as an overly complex language and hard to implement Simon Wright
1998-02-18  0:00           ` Yongxiang Gao
1998-02-18  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1998-02-18  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1998-02-19  0:00               ` Stanley R. Allen
1998-02-20  0:00                 ` Markus Kuhn
1998-02-18  0:00             ` Stanley R. Allen
1998-03-05  0:00             ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-02-16  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1998-02-16  0:00 ` nabbasi
1998-02-16  0:00   ` Yongxiang Gao
1998-02-16  0:00     ` nabbasi
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1998-02-18  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
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