* ROBERT DEWER, Chill out... @ 1998-01-14 0:00 Scott Barrish 1998-01-22 0:00 ` Charles F Hankel 1998-01-23 0:00 ` Adam Donahue 0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Scott Barrish @ 1998-01-14 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) Mr. Dewer, Is there something I did to you that I deserve this attitude? I wish in the future that you not respond to any of my news postings or e-mails. Consider this our last communications. Thank you ahead of time for your cooperation. Sincerely, Scott B. > From: Robert Dewar <dewar@merv.cs.nyu.edu> > To: TeufelHunde@worldnet.att.net >what is *this* newsgroup. People have been doing outrageous cross-postings >recently. >then you need to get your software under control! > please figure out how to avoid posting multiple messages, you posted three > copies of this request to CLA! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: ROBERT DEWER, Chill out... 1998-01-14 0:00 ROBERT DEWER, Chill out Scott Barrish @ 1998-01-22 0:00 ` Charles F Hankel [not found] ` <dewar.885449413@merv> 1998-01-23 0:00 ` Adam Donahue 1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Charles F Hankel @ 1998-01-22 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) Scott It's nothing you did. It's Professor Dewar's attitude. It seems that he considers this newsgroup to be his personal fiefdom and if someone does something that gets in his way, his habit is to send them rude, pompous e-mails (please note the plural). When you point out to this arrogant, conceited pillock that you don't appreciate unsolicited e-mails and will happily take the argument further, he then sends another stream of personal insults, finishing with an announcement that he has put you on his mailer rejection list. This displays the same attitude as the school bully who starts beating up the new kid and then runs away when that kid fights back. He is obviously a weak individual with serious character flaws. In the light of our own short correspondence, you may understand that I don't take kindly to his behaviour. This time he has picked on the wrong guy at this end. This Eagle ain't stopped Screaming. I do wonder if his behaviour is reflective of the entire CS faculty at NYU and is exactly what the university authorities look for in their staff. Sincerely Charles On 14 Jan 1998 22:57:56 GMT, "Scott Barrish" <TeufelHunde@worldnet.att.net> wrote: > Mr. Dewer, > > Is there something I did to you that I deserve this attitude? I wish in > the future that you not respond to any of my news postings or e-mails. > Consider this our last communications. > > Thank you ahead of time for your cooperation. > > Sincerely, > > > Scott B. > > > > From: Robert Dewar <dewar@merv.cs.nyu.edu> > > To: TeufelHunde@worldnet.att.net > > >what is *this* newsgroup. People have been doing outrageous cross-postings > >recently. > > >then you need to get your software under control! > > > please figure out how to avoid posting multiple messages, you posted > three > > copies of this request to CLA! > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
[parent not found: <dewar.885449413@merv>]
* Re: ROBERT DEWER, Chill out... [not found] ` <dewar.885449413@merv> @ 1998-01-22 0:00 ` Robert Dewar 1998-01-23 0:00 ` Thornton 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Robert Dewar @ 1998-01-22 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) <<It's nothing you did. It's Professor Dewar's attitude. It seems that he considers this newsgroup to be his personal fiefdom and if someone does something that gets in his way, his habit is to send them rude, pompous e-mails (please note the plural). >> Just so people know, I have indeed been sending emails to people who have almost certainly been cross-posting on the troll posts to CLA without realizing it. 99% of the time I get a polite reply saying something like "oops, sorry, I did not realize this was cross-posted", but I guess Charles is in the 1% (he also did not realize he was cross-posting, but takes the attitude that he is entitled to, which is of course true, anyone can say anything). Actually I am quite surprised that so many people react positively to such messages, and it definitely helps keep accidental noise down. You can't tell people what do do, and you will always get some noisy minority who wlil post no matter what, but it helps quite a bit if the reasonable majority takes a little bit more care not to accidentally post. These cross-posted trolls come and go of course, but it sure seems like CLA has been beset with them recently, and once again the noise-to-signal ratio is getting a bit high. (I guess Charles is a bit frustrated, he threatened to complain to me to my employers at Ada Core Technologies :-) :-) Well at least we get some signal, I am happy to finally get at least ONE reply (from Stephe) on how to handle that interesting error message <<When you point out to this arrogant, conceited pillock that you don't appreciate unsolicited e-mails and will happily take the argument further, he then sends another stream of personal insults, finishing with an announcement that he has put you on his mailer rejection list.>> P.S. If anyone wants to know how to get on my mailer rejection list, it's an easy algorithm (in fact I could probably automate it!) If I get a message with obsenities or rude language, then you go on the list. It is not that this offends me, it is just that I take this as a signal that the probability of further intelligent discussion has dropped to zero :-) An entertaining thread title (should be DEWAR of course, but I don't want to disturb those who want to use their thread following mailers to follow this thread :-) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: ROBERT DEWER, Chill out... 1998-01-22 0:00 ` Robert Dewar @ 1998-01-23 0:00 ` Thornton 1998-01-23 0:00 ` Paul Van Bellinghen 1998-01-24 0:00 ` James Hopper 0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Thornton @ 1998-01-23 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) Robert, There's no doubt you're highly educated & intelligent in regards to the topics discussed on this newsgroups, but I second the motion that you're also quite rude. Robert Dewar wrote: > > <<It's nothing you did. It's Professor Dewar's attitude. It seems that > he considers this newsgroup to be his personal fiefdom and if someone > does something that gets in his way, his habit is to send them rude, > pompous e-mails (please note the plural). >> > > Just so people know, I have indeed been sending emails to people who have > almost certainly been cross-posting on the troll posts to CLA without > realizing it. 99% of the time I get a polite reply saying something > like "oops, sorry, I did not realize this was cross-posted", but I > guess Charles is in the 1% (he also did not realize he was cross-posting, > but takes the attitude that he is entitled to, which is of course true, > anyone can say anything). > > Actually I am quite surprised that so many people react positively to > such messages, and it definitely helps keep accidental noise down. You > can't tell people what do do, and you will always get some noisy minority > who wlil post no matter what, but it helps quite a bit if the reasonable > majority takes a little bit more care not to accidentally post. > > These cross-posted trolls come and go of course, but it sure seems like > CLA has been beset with them recently, and once again the noise-to-signal > ratio is getting a bit high. > > (I guess Charles is a bit frustrated, he threatened to complain to me > to my employers at Ada Core Technologies :-) :-) > > Well at least we get some signal, I am happy to finally get at least > ONE reply (from Stephe) on how to handle that interesting error message > > <<When you point out to this arrogant, conceited pillock that you don't > appreciate unsolicited e-mails and will happily take the argument > further, he then sends another stream of personal insults, finishing > with an announcement that he has put you on his mailer rejection list.>> > > P.S. If anyone wants to know how to get on my mailer rejection list, it's > an easy algorithm (in fact I could probably automate it!) If I get a message > with obsenities or rude language, then you go on the list. It is not that > this offends me, it is just that I take this as a signal that the > probability of further intelligent discussion has dropped to zero :-) > > An entertaining thread title (should be DEWAR of course, but I don't > want to disturb those who want to use their thread following mailers > to follow this thread :-) -- .---. .----------- / \ __ / ------ / / \( )/ ----- ////// ' \/ ` --- //// / // : : --- // / / /` '-- // //..\\ ----UU----UU----- '//||\\` "Mind is the Master power that moulds and makes, And Man is Mind, and evermore he takes The tool of Thought, and, shaping what he wills, Brings forth a thousand joys, a thousand ills;- He thinks in secret, and it comes to pass: Environment is but his looking-glass." ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: ROBERT DEWER, Chill out... 1998-01-23 0:00 ` Thornton @ 1998-01-23 0:00 ` Paul Van Bellinghen 1998-01-24 0:00 ` Scott Barrish 1998-01-24 0:00 ` James Hopper 1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Paul Van Bellinghen @ 1998-01-23 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 732 bytes --] Thornton wrote: > Robert, > There's no doubt you're highly educated & intelligent in regards to the > topics discussed on this newsgroups, but I second the motion that you're > also quite rude. > It's a New York thing. What may be construed as rude is probably just a typical crass New York way of speaking to people. New Yorkers tend to just say what they're thinking without paying attention to how it's received. I guess I'm used to it. I grew up on Long Island and have been working in Yonkers for the last 15 years. In fact I graduated from NYU when they had the School of Engineering in the Bronx. You should spend some time in Israel. These people take rudeness to a new height. But again, its just part of the culture. [-- Attachment #2: Card for Paul Van Bellinghen --] [-- Type: text/x-vcard, Size: 332 bytes --] begin: vcard fn: Paul Van Bellinghen n: Van Bellinghen;Paul org: Lockheed Martin Fairchild email;internet: pvanbell@mhv.net title: Staff Analyst note: WebPage: www.mhv.net/~pvanbell x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: ROBERT DEWER, Chill out... 1998-01-23 0:00 ` Paul Van Bellinghen @ 1998-01-24 0:00 ` Scott Barrish 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Scott Barrish @ 1998-01-24 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) FYI, I do live in the New York City area and I was the original poster of this thread. Just because someone lives in a certain part of the world does not excuse them for their rudeness. I can see if Dr. Dewar was enthralled in a newsgroup argument where such a behavior would arise, but this was a first response to a posting at CLA. Therefore the rudeness that was received by me was not neccessary. I still have not gotten an apology from Dr. Dewar. Sincerely, Scott B. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: ROBERT DEWER, Chill out... 1998-01-23 0:00 ` Thornton 1998-01-23 0:00 ` Paul Van Bellinghen @ 1998-01-24 0:00 ` James Hopper 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: James Hopper @ 1998-01-24 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <34C88745.CEDE4773@avicom.net> Thornton <thornton@AVICOM.NET> writes: > There's no doubt you're highly educated & intelligent in regards to the > topics discussed on this newsgroups, but I second the motion that you're > also quite rude. I will also jump to roberts defense also. I have worked with Robert a bit the last few years and i have several times taken offense a bit at things he said over email or on cla. But i am a bit more direct, in that i always privately ask him if my perception of the event is what he really intended (well i wasnt ALWAYS that polite about it). he always seemed taken quite aback that i had taken it that way, and has always been good to help me understand that he was not being disrespectful of me or rude. I have come to understand roberts way of doing email, and have benefited a great deal from the association since i got over letting my feelings be mussed by MY perception of his tone. jim ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: ROBERT DEWER, Chill out... 1998-01-14 0:00 ROBERT DEWER, Chill out Scott Barrish 1998-01-22 0:00 ` Charles F Hankel @ 1998-01-23 0:00 ` Adam Donahue 1998-01-23 0:00 ` Nick Roberts 1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Adam Donahue @ 1998-01-23 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) I have to jump in and say that, knowing Robert Dewar personally (he is a professor of mine), what might appear as "rudeness" in e-mail is merely matter-of-factness. Just because he doesn't happen to dot every sentence with a string of smilies does not mean he's on the rampage. It's all about tone people; tone is not conveyed well via ASCII! (Was I yelling just then, or just making a point? See what I mean?) I have only known the man to be most polite and good-humored in person, and I highly doubt he makes a sudden transformation when reading e-mail! :-) Adam Thornton (thornton@AVICOM.NET) wrote: : Robert, : There's no doubt you're highly educated & intelligent in regards to the : topics discussed on this newsgroups, but I second the motion that you're : also quite rude. : : Robert Dewar wrote: : > : > <<It's nothing you did. It's Professor Dewar's attitude. It seems that : > he considers this newsgroup to be his personal fiefdom and if someone : > does something that gets in his way, his habit is to send them rude, : > pompous e-mails (please note the plural). >> : > : > Just so people know, I have indeed been sending emails to people who have : > almost certainly been cross-posting on the troll posts to CLA without : > realizing it. 99% of the time I get a polite reply saying something : > like "oops, sorry, I did not realize this was cross-posted", but I : > guess Charles is in the 1% (he also did not realize he was cross-posting, : > but takes the attitude that he is entitled to, which is of course true, : > anyone can say anything). : > : > Actually I am quite surprised that so many people react positively to : > such messages, and it definitely helps keep accidental noise down. You : > can't tell people what do do, and you will always get some noisy minority : > who wlil post no matter what, but it helps quite a bit if the reasonable : > majority takes a little bit more care not to accidentally post. : > : > These cross-posted trolls come and go of course, but it sure seems like : > CLA has been beset with them recently, and once again the noise-to-signal : > ratio is getting a bit high. : > : > (I guess Charles is a bit frustrated, he threatened to complain to me : > to my employers at Ada Core Technologies :-) :-) : > : > Well at least we get some signal, I am happy to finally get at least : > ONE reply (from Stephe) on how to handle that interesting error message : > : > <<When you point out to this arrogant, conceited pillock that you don't : > appreciate unsolicited e-mails and will happily take the argument : > further, he then sends another stream of personal insults, finishing : > with an announcement that he has put you on his mailer rejection list.>> : > : > P.S. If anyone wants to know how to get on my mailer rejection list, it's : > an easy algorithm (in fact I could probably automate it!) If I get a message : > with obsenities or rude language, then you go on the list. It is not that : > this offends me, it is just that I take this as a signal that the : > probability of further intelligent discussion has dropped to zero :-) : > : > An entertaining thread title (should be DEWAR of course, but I don't : > want to disturb those who want to use their thread following mailers : > to follow this thread :-) : : -- : .---. .----------- : / \ __ / ------ : / / \( )/ ----- : ////// ' \/ ` --- : //// / // : : --- : // / / /` '-- : // //..\\ : ----UU----UU----- : '//||\\` : "Mind is the Master power that moulds and makes, : And Man is Mind, and evermore he takes : The tool of Thought, and, shaping what he wills, : Brings forth a thousand joys, a thousand ills;- : He thinks in secret, and it comes to pass: : Environment is but his looking-glass." -- Adam Donahue / mailto:adam@cyber-guru.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: ROBERT DEWER, Chill out... 1998-01-23 0:00 ` Adam Donahue @ 1998-01-23 0:00 ` Nick Roberts 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Nick Roberts @ 1998-01-23 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) Ah but no! When Dr Dewar gets behind that keyboard, a hideous transformation takes place: the normally placid doctor becomes a MONSTER!!! R. L. Stevenson wrote a book about him, in fact. We love you really RD xxxxx ;-) -- Nick Roberts Croydon, UK Proprietor, ThoughtWing Software; Independent Software Development Consultant * Nick.Roberts@dial.pipex.com * Voicemail & Fax +44 181-405 1124 * *** Always game for a verbal joust (usually as the turkey) *** Adam Donahue <donahue@acf2.nyu.edu> wrote in article <6aajie$4v6$1@news.nyu.edu>... > I have to jump in and say that, knowing Robert Dewar personally (he is a professor > of mine), what might appear as "rudeness" in e-mail is merely matter-of-factness. > Just because he doesn't happen to dot every sentence with a string of smilies does > not mean he's on the rampage. It's all about tone people; tone is not conveyed well > via ASCII! (Was I yelling just then, or just making a point? See what I mean?) I > have only known the man to be most polite and good-humored in person, and I highly > doubt he makes a sudden transformation when reading e-mail! :-) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
end of thread, other threads:[~1998-01-24 0:00 UTC | newest] Thread overview: 9+ messages (download: mbox.gz / follow: Atom feed) -- links below jump to the message on this page -- 1998-01-14 0:00 ROBERT DEWER, Chill out Scott Barrish 1998-01-22 0:00 ` Charles F Hankel [not found] ` <dewar.885449413@merv> 1998-01-22 0:00 ` Robert Dewar 1998-01-23 0:00 ` Thornton 1998-01-23 0:00 ` Paul Van Bellinghen 1998-01-24 0:00 ` Scott Barrish 1998-01-24 0:00 ` James Hopper 1998-01-23 0:00 ` Adam Donahue 1998-01-23 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox