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From: dewar@merv.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar)
Subject: Re: Beware: Rep spec on an enumeration type causes code explosion
Date: 1997/12/10
Date: 1997-12-10T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <dewar.881730672@merv> (raw)
In-Reply-To: EKxx9n.Ly1.0.-s@inmet.camb.inmet.com



Tuck said

<<Although the ability to specify the representation of an enumeration
  type initially sounds perfectly reasonable, the fundamental problem is that
  Ada also allows such "holey" enumeration types to be used as the
  type for a for-loop index, an array index, an entry family index,
  or the 'Succ/'Pred attributes.  This results in surprising implicit
  inefficiencies, something that violates one of the general Ada
  language design principles.>>

Well things are not as bad as all that, and should be better :-)

Loops need not generate significant inefficiency. Look back to the message
I sent earlier showing how GNAT handles these loops. The overhead is a single
indexed load per loop, not bad at all.

Array indexes should NOT be a problem, if we used the rep value as an index
instead of the pos value as an index. Unfortunately Verdix made what I think
was the wrong implementation choice here, and the Ada 95 RM gives no 
recommendation, so in the absence of any RM advice, we find ourselves
pushed to support Verdix compatibility, and thus introduce the unexpected
inefficiency.

To my mind, it would be better to index by default using the rep value, and
if you want to index by the pos value, do so explicitly!

Succ and Pred are indeed evil :-)

<<So in retrospect, I believe enumeration representation
  clauses in Ada are a mistake.  If a user wants to name
  So in retrospect, I believe enumeration representation
  clauses in Ada are a mistake.  If a user wants to name
  particular values, they should simply use named integer
  constants, or perhaps better, named private-type constants.  They can build
  up various maps of their own if they want to translate to/from some kind
  of "holey" representation from/to a contiguous representation.>>



No, I disagree, this is a useful feature that I have often found useful. You
only get the inefficiencies if you use the inefficient constructs, and it 
seems unreasonable to argue that a feature should be removed because someone
might use it inefficiently.

I would say that if I had my choice, I would ban the use of Succ and Pred,
and specify that array indexing was on the basis of pos values. That way
the (relatively) expensive Pos operation would only occur if the programmer
wrote it explicitly.





  parent reply	other threads:[~1997-12-10  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1997-12-05  0:00 Beware: Rep spec on an enumeration type causes code explosion Joe Gwinn
1997-12-06  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-06  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-08  0:00   ` Joe Gwinn
1997-12-06  0:00 ` Kevin D. Heatwole
     [not found]   ` <dewar.881478386@merv>
1997-12-07  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-09  0:00   ` Jim Gleason
1997-12-06  0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1997-12-06  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-06  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-08  0:00   ` Joe Gwinn
1997-12-08  0:00     ` Mats Weber
1997-12-09  0:00     ` Tucker Taft
1997-12-09  0:00       ` Matthew Heaney
1997-12-10  0:00         ` Charles Hixson
1997-12-10  0:00       ` Stephen Leake
1997-12-14  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-10  0:00       ` Stanley R. Allen
1997-12-14  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-10  0:00       ` Ken Garlington
1997-12-11  0:00         ` John G. Volan
1997-12-11  0:00           ` Ken Garlington
1997-12-12  0:00             ` Matthew Heaney
1997-12-12  0:00               ` Ken Garlington
1997-12-16  0:00                 ` John G. Volan
1997-12-17  0:00                   ` Ken Garlington
1997-12-12  0:00           ` Joe Gwinn
1997-12-12  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-16  0:00             ` John G. Volan
1997-12-17  0:00               ` Joe Gwinn
1997-12-17  0:00                 ` John G. Volan
1997-12-18  0:00                   ` Joe Gwinn
1997-12-17  0:00               ` Ken Garlington
1997-12-12  0:00           ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-12-12  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-15  0:00               ` Tucker Taft
1997-12-16  0:00                 ` Brian Rogoff
1997-12-10  0:00       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
1997-12-10  0:00       ` Robert Dewar [this message]
1997-12-11  0:00       ` Rakesh Malhotra
1997-12-11  0:00         ` Matthew Heaney
1997-12-12  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-12  0:00           ` Rakesh Malhotra
1997-12-12  0:00           ` Samuel Tardieu
1997-12-12  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-14  0:00         ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-12-12  0:00       ` Joe Gwinn
1997-12-15  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-16  0:00           ` Joe Gwinn
1997-12-16  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-09  0:00     ` Geert Bosch
1997-12-10  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-06  0:00 ` David Marshall
1997-12-06  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-06  0:00   ` Matthew Heaney
1997-12-10  0:00   ` GNORT information ( Was Re: Beware: Rep spec on an enumeration type causes code explosion ) Mark Bennison
1997-12-10  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-06  0:00 ` Beware: Rep spec on an enumeration type causes code explosion Ken Garlington
1997-12-06  0:00 ` Corey Minyard
1997-12-08  0:00   ` Joe Gwinn
1997-12-10  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-06  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-08  0:00   ` Joe Gwinn
1997-12-09  0:00     ` Stanley R. Allen
1997-12-06  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-07  0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1997-12-09  0:00 tmoran
1997-12-11  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
1997-12-11  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-11  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
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