From: dewar@merv.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar)
Subject: Re: Interface/Implementation (was Re: Design by Contract)
Date: 1997/09/11
Date: 1997-09-11T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <dewar.873999094@merv> (raw)
In-Reply-To: mheaney-ya023680000909972137110001@news.ni.net
Matthew says
<<"...I adopted certain basic principles [of language design] which I believe
to be as valid today as they were then...(4) The forth principle was that
the compiler should use only a single pass....I can still recommend
single-pass top-down recursive descent both as an implementation method and
as a design principle for a programming language. [Note carefully the next
sentance.] First, we certainly want programs to be read by _people_ and
people prefer to read things once in a single pass."
That last line is exactly what Robert was refering to: design the language
so that it can be read by _humans_ in a single pass (even if it isn't
compiled that way), because that's what humans prefer to do.
If only the rest of Tony's lecture were that favorable toward Ada...>>
Tony is talking about semantic understanding here. Of course he does not
think that real, useful, compilers can generate high quality code in a
single pass.
As for unfavorable to Ada, Tony was surprised that people took his remarks
on Ada as being so negative. I often quote one of his favorable remarks,
which is that it is possible to choose a subset of Ada that is safe and
realiable. Since of course all real applications *are* written in a subset
chosen to be appropriate to the application area, this is a most critical
statement.
Be sure to read TH's forward to Brian's book (that was a while ago, this is
not late breaking news here :-)
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1997-08-28 0:00 ` Interface/Implementation (was Re: Design by Contract) Tucker Taft
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
[not found] ` <EFqDC8.342@ecf.toronto.edu>
1997-09-02 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-09-03 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-09-03 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-03 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-09-04 0:00 ` Erik Ernst
[not found] ` <EFyrH2.7z2@syd.csa.com.au>
1997-09-04 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-05 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-05 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-09-10 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Code ordering Steve Furlong
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Interface/Implementation (was Re: Design by Contract) Robert Dewar
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-10 0:00 ` One pass compilation? W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Interface/Implementation (was Re: Design by Contract) Robert Dewar
1997-09-08 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-08 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-04 0:00 ` Joerg Rodemann
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Don Harrison
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1997-09-06 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-09-07 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-07 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-13 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Lee Webber
1997-09-15 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-17 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-18 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-18 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-09-20 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Samuel T. Harris
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-09-13 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1997-09-17 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-18 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Frederic Guerin
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Matt Kennel (Remove 'NOSPAM' to reply)
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-08 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-09-09 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
[not found] ` <dewar.873826570@merv>
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar [this message]
1997-09-07 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-08 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-09 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-17 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-01 0:00 ` Matt Kennel (Remove 'NOSPAM' to reply)
1997-09-02 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-09-03 0:00 ` Matt Kennel (Remove 'NOSPAM' to reply)
1997-09-15 0:00 Marc Wachowitz
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Owen Fellows
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1997-09-12 0:00 Marc Wachowitz
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Samuel T. Harris
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-15 0:00 ` Samuel T. Harris
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-09 0:00 Marc Wachowitz
1997-09-15 0:00 ` Owen Fellows
1997-10-13 0:00 ` Bill Foote
1997-09-06 0:00 Ell
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
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1997-09-01 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-02 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-08-07 0:00 Safety-critical development in Ada and Eiffel Ken Garlington
1997-08-12 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-08-25 0:00 ` Design by Contract Bertrand Meyer
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1997-08-26 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
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1997-08-27 0:00 ` Interface/Implementation (was Re: Design by Contract) Bertrand Meyer
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1997-08-27 0:00 ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-08-28 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
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1997-09-03 0:00 ` Don Harrison
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1997-09-04 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-09 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Joerg Rodemann
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Joerg Rodemann
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Matt Austern
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-13 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Robert S. White
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Don Harrison
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1997-09-13 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-13 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1997-09-04 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-09-04 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-05 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-08 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-08 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Robert S. White
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-09-14 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
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