From: dewar@merv.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar)
Subject: Re: what DOES the GPL really say?
Date: 1997/09/07
Date: 1997-09-07T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <dewar.873631804@merv> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 5ukmmp$kc9@idiom.com
Hwa-Jin Bae said
<<I think this was the source of confusion. I have an earlier
release (1.0) and it did not have code on CD-ROM, nor did it
have optional boxes to click on to install the code. I suppose
many people have made noise about this issue and now we have
a newer release that has source code on the CD-ROM that can
optionally be installed. (1.0.1) In any case, I'm glad that
WRS is shipping the source code now.>>
It sounds like you were under the misconception that the souce code
must be shipped together with the object code for GPL'ed software.
This is not the case. If you receive GPL'ed software, then source
must be available, but not necessarily with the object distribution.
Whoever gives you the program has the responsibility of letting you
know how to get the sources. If you pass on GPL'ed software you need
to take responsibility for making sure that the recipient knows where
the sources are. For instance, when I make GNAT available to my
students in a special distribution for them that is conveniently
set up, I do not include the sources, but I tell them where the
sources can be found.
The original manufacturer is responsible only for providing this information
to those to whom they distribute the original program. The GPL comes with
rights and responsibilities. The right is to further distribute the program,
the responsibility is to distribute it in a manner that is consistent with
the requirements of the GPL. If you find this onerous, then no one is forcing
you to further distribute the program, so don't do it!
In this case, I don't know if you got the code from the manufacturer or not.
If so, you should have contacted the manufacturer, and you would have found
that indeed you could obtain the sources (I do not know if they were charging
for this service or not at the time, as I have mentioned before, it is fine
to charge for distribution of souces, providing the charge is reasonable).
<<I have no more complaints>>
It sounds like you never did have a legitimate complaint, and certainly
your conclusion that no manufacturers take the GPL seriously was entirely
unwarranted. You should be careful about accusing people of violating
contracts without a little more research on your part!
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1997-05-28 0:00 gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-05-29 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-05-30 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-06-07 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
[not found] ` <m2vi3kpuay.fsf@devo.ridgenet.net>
1997-06-12 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-06-12 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-06-13 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-06-13 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-06-16 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-06-16 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 CHARLET Arnaud
1997-06-17 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-06-18 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Samuel Tardieu
1997-06-16 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Dale Pontius
1997-06-17 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-06-18 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Richard Kenner
1997-06-17 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-06-18 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Andrew Lynch
1997-06-18 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-06-18 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Dale Pontius
1997-06-19 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Arthur Schwarz
1997-06-16 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-06-16 0:00 ` Building gnat-3.10 from source (was: gnat-3.10) Larry Kilgallen
1997-06-17 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1997-06-17 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-06-20 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-06-22 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-06-23 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Richard Kenner
1997-06-23 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-06-24 0:00 ` what DOES the GPL really say? Spam Hater
1997-06-25 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-06-25 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-25 0:00 ` Paul D. Smith
1997-06-25 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Dale Stanbrough
1997-07-01 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Richard Kenner
1997-07-01 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-07-01 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 James Rogers
1997-07-02 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-06-26 0:00 ` what DOES the GPL really say? Richard Kenner
1997-06-26 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-26 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-26 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-06-26 0:00 ` Thomas Bushnell, n/BSG
1997-06-26 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-26 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-29 0:00 ` Kai Henningsen
1997-07-05 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-29 0:00 ` user
1997-06-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-29 0:00 ` user
1997-06-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-27 0:00 ` Stephen Leake
1997-06-27 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-06-28 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-30 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-30 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-30 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-30 0:00 ` Thomas Bushnell, n/BSG
1997-06-30 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-07-01 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-06-26 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-26 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-27 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-06-30 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-27 0:00 ` kdp0101
1997-06-30 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-26 0:00 ` Thomas Bushnell, n/BSG
1997-06-27 0:00 ` Leslie Mikesell
1997-06-26 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-26 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-26 0:00 ` GLADE and GPL (was: what DOES the GPL really say?) Roy T. Fielding
1997-06-26 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-27 0:00 ` David Weller
1997-06-27 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-30 0:00 ` David Weller
1997-07-01 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-28 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-06-27 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-28 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-01 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-06-28 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-06-30 0:00 ` David Weller
1997-07-03 0:00 ` Steve Peltz
1997-07-04 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-07-01 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-02 0:00 ` David Weller
1997-06-27 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-28 0:00 ` Roy T. Fielding
1997-06-29 0:00 ` Stefan Monnier
1997-06-29 0:00 ` David Kastrup
1997-06-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
[not found] ` <dewar.867556141@merv>
1997-06-30 0:00 ` Roy T. Fielding
1997-07-01 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
[not found] ` <dewar.867554947@merv>
1997-06-30 0:00 ` Roy T. Fielding
1997-06-26 0:00 ` what DOES the GPL really say? Samuel Mize
1997-06-26 0:00 ` David Kastrup
1997-06-27 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1997-06-28 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-28 0:00 ` Olivier Galibert
[not found] ` <dewar.867554739@merv>
1997-06-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-30 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-30 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-29 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1997-06-30 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-01 0:00 ` Richard Watts
1997-07-01 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-07-03 0:00 ` Steve Peltz
1997-07-04 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-07-04 0:00 ` Olivier Galibert
1997-07-08 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-07-08 0:00 ` Bill Gribble
1997-07-09 0:00 ` David Kastrup
1997-07-09 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-09 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-07-09 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
[not found] ` <5pmg6e$nai$1@Venus.mcs.net>
1997-07-05 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-05 0:00 ` user
1997-07-05 0:00 ` Leslie Mikesell
1997-07-05 0:00 ` Paul Eggert
1997-07-07 0:00 ` Leslie Mikesell
1997-07-06 0:00 ` user
1997-07-06 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-06 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-08 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-07-08 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-07-08 0:00 ` Steve Peltz
1997-07-08 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-07-14 0:00 ` Steve Peltz
1997-07-14 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-14 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-07-20 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Samuel Tardieu
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1997-07-22 0:00 ` Isaac
1997-07-22 0:00 ` Leslie Mikesell
1997-07-23 0:00 ` Isaac
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1997-07-29 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1997-07-23 0:00 ` David Kastrup
1997-07-23 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1997-07-24 0:00 ` David Kastrup
1997-07-24 0:00 ` Isaac
1997-07-25 0:00 ` B.Stephens
1997-07-29 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1997-07-23 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-29 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1997-07-30 0:00 ` Joe Buck
1997-07-27 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-07-29 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1997-07-23 0:00 ` David Kastrup
1997-07-23 0:00 ` Chris Morgan
1997-07-29 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1997-07-30 0:00 ` Chris Morgan
1997-08-04 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1997-08-05 0:00 ` David Kastrup
1997-08-09 0:00 ` David Masterson
1997-08-11 0:00 ` David Kastrup
[not found] ` <dewar.870872644@merv>
[not found] ` <dewar.870873584@merv>
1997-08-12 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1997-08-13 0:00 ` David Kastrup
1997-08-13 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1997-08-15 0:00 ` Isaac
1997-08-19 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1997-08-16 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-16 0:00 ` Thomas Koenig
1997-08-17 0:00 ` Leslie Mikesell
1997-08-19 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1997-08-20 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1997-08-20 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-25 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
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1997-09-02 0:00 ` Ted Goldblatt
1997-09-02 0:00 ` Hwa-Jin Bae
1997-09-03 0:00 ` Ted Goldblatt
1997-09-03 0:00 ` Hwa-Jin Bae
1997-09-07 0:00 ` Robert Dewar [this message]
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-08 0:00 ` Mark Wooding
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Isaac
1997-09-08 0:00 ` Ted Goldblatt
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-20 0:00 ` Mike Stump
1997-08-20 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-21 0:00 ` Thomas Koenig
1997-08-21 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
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1997-08-27 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
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1997-08-27 0:00 ` Simon Wright
1997-08-27 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-21 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-21 0:00 ` Paul Lyon
1997-08-22 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-21 0:00 ` egcs (Re: what DOES the GPL really say?) Marinos J. Yannikos
1997-08-21 0:00 ` Andreas Schwab
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1997-08-12 0:00 ` what DOES the GPL really say? Ronald Cole
1997-08-12 0:00 ` Chris Morgan
1997-08-16 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-19 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1997-08-21 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-08-25 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
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1997-08-31 0:00 ` Toon Moene
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1997-09-05 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Remy Card
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1997-07-01 0:00 ` Scott Michel
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1997-07-02 0:00 ` Thomas Bushnell, n/BSG
1997-07-02 0:00 ` Mark Atwood
1997-07-02 0:00 ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-07-06 0:00 ` Stefan Monnier
1997-07-02 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-02 0:00 ` Rand Kant Hegel with Aristotle ? Wes Groleau
1997-07-07 0:00 ` Thomas Bushnell, n/BSG
1997-07-08 0:00 ` Michael F Brenner
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