From: dewar@merv.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar)
Subject: Re: The great Java showcase (re: 2nd historic mistake)
Date: 1997/09/05
Date: 1997-09-05T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <dewar.873477319@merv> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 340CC27C.72B7@epix.net
Matthew says
<<FWIW, I agree with you. Unfortunately, by this success metric, Ada is
pretty much a failure. Although, one could argue that insufficient time
has passed for the customer's decision to truly and completely be felt!>>
Not at all, do not equate success with market domination. Rolls Royce does
not sit around thinking they are a failure because they have only a sliver
of the market. Now sure they would like to sell more cars, but their goal
is to increase that sliver, not nudge out GM and Toyota!
Success for Ada is measured the same way. Many projects are highly successful
using Ada, and it has a significant sliver of users who are convinced that
they have found the Rolls Royce of programming language technology for their
needs, and hopefully these days not at Rolls Royce prices.
To increase the success of Ada, you want to focus on increasing the sliver,
don't spend time moaning over the fact that more copies of Visual C++ are
sold -- it's not a productive way to spend your time!
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1997-08-29 0:00 The great Java showcase (re: 2nd historic mistake) Ell
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Brett J. Stonier
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Jay Martin
1997-08-30 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-08-30 0:00 ` Jay Martin
1997-08-30 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-01 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-09-01 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-02 0:00 ` Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
1997-09-02 0:00 ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-09-03 0:00 ` Robert Munck
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Robert Dewar [this message]
1997-09-02 0:00 ` Martin Tom Brown
1997-09-02 0:00 ` Jeff Kotula
1997-09-08 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-09-13 0:00 ` Mark S. Hathaway
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Des Kenny
1997-10-28 0:00 ` John English
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Des Kenny
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Darren New
1997-09-02 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-05 0:00 ` happens too often to call it historic W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-15 0:00 ` The great Java showcase (re: 2nd historic mistake) Tim Ottinger
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-18 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1997-09-17 0:00 Ell
1997-09-17 0:00 Ell
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Mark Wilden
1997-09-17 0:00 ` Robert B. Love
1997-09-17 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-17 0:00 Ell
1997-09-15 0:00 Ell
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Tim Ottinger
1997-09-17 0:00 ` Doc
[not found] <97090916235363@psavax.pwfl.com>
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-04 0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
1997-08-30 0:00 BruceMount
1997-08-29 0:00 Ell
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1997-08-27 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-08-27 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-08-27 0:00 ` Jeff Brown
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Brett J. Stonier
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-29 0:00 ` James P. White
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Dennis Weldy
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Brett J. Stonier
[not found] ` <5u6ovi$5kb$1@news2.digex.net>
1997-09-01 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-08-25 0:00 Bertrand Meyer
1997-08-26 0:00 ` BruceMount
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Brett J. Stonier
[not found] ` <JSA.97Aug28182029@alexandria.organon.com>
[not found] ` <3406C150.3EE5EE0E@stratasys.com>
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Jay Martin
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-02 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-15 0:00 ` Tim Ottinger
[not found] ` <5u0nil$atg@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
[not found] ` <5u3o1n$hu5@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-09-15 0:00 ` Tim Ottinger
1997-09-16 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-08-28 0:00 ` not
1997-08-26 0:00 ` Flavius.Vespasianus
[not found] ` <JSA.97Aug26153546@alexandria.organon.com>
[not found] ` <34034658.7DE14518@eiffel.com>
1997-08-27 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
[not found] ` <3402FD4D.C196785B@brightwood.com>
1997-08-27 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Jeff Brown
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Brett J. Stonier
1997-08-27 0:00 ` James P. White
1997-08-27 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
[not found] ` <34047A7D.62319AC4@eiffel.com>
1997-08-27 0:00 ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-08-27 0:00 ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Flavius.Vespasianus
1997-08-28 0:00 ` James P. White
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Mike Coffin
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-30 0:00 ` James P. White
1997-08-31 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Dennis Weldy
1997-09-03 0:00 ` Charles Ditzel
[not found] ` <01bcb38a$8ddc1200$1c10d30a@ntwneil>
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-28 0:00 ` James P. White
1997-08-30 0:00 ` Bert Bril
1997-08-31 0:00 ` Jay Martin
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Lee Webber
[not found] ` <EFn8CI.D9p@ecf.toronto.edu>
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-30 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-08-31 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-01 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-02 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Laurent Guerby
[not found] ` <EFonoz.AFC@ecf.toronto.edu>
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Arthur Nelson
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-01 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Peter Hermann
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Mike Charlton
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1997-09-02 0:00 ` Mike Charlton
1997-09-03 0:00 ` Dave Sparks
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