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From: dewar@merv.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar)
Subject: Re: Is Ada likely to survive ?
Date: 1997/08/17
Date: 1997-08-17T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <dewar.871840197@merv> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 5t67ti$5qf$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au


<<Multics was not "pretty much a failure", though it was a bit slow
getting off the ground.>>

Tell that to the stockholders! Multics most certainly was a failure. And
indeed the aftermath of that failure had a very significant effect, 
particularly at Bell.

Sure, from a technical point of view, Multics was a fine system (note
that the designers of Ada were multics based in the early Ada days,
and the required Ada simulator was written for Multics, as well as
the early Alsys bootstrap processor).

However, it was a commercial failure.

PL/1 is a similar story. Sure it is not dead (I still think that you
are providing very weak examples, there are cases, not many, but some,
of major companies doing commercial software in PL/1). Still, given
the IBM intention that the language would effectively replace COBOL
and Fortran, it must be considered a huge failure (and indeed is
so-regarded by IBM these days -- that does not mean they will abandon
it, no more than they will abandon OS/2, which is also a failure in
terms of the plans, even though it was a technical succcess, and is
still in wide use).






  reply	other threads:[~1997-08-17  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1997-07-18  0:00 Is Ada likely to survive ? safetran
1997-07-18  0:00 ` Stanley Allen
1997-07-19  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-20  0:00   ` Paul Van Bellinghen
1997-07-21  0:00   ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-07-19  0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1997-07-21  0:00   ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-07-28  0:00     ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-07-29  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-29  0:00         ` dcw
1997-07-30  0:00         ` Steve Jones - JON
1997-07-30  0:00       ` HARRY R. ERWIN
1997-07-31  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-31  0:00           ` Brian Rogoff
1997-08-01  0:00             ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-08-03  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-05  0:00                 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-07-31  0:00         ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-07-31  0:00           ` HARRY R. ERWIN
1997-07-31  0:00           ` Brian Rogoff
1997-08-02  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-02  0:00               ` Brian Rogoff
1997-08-03  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-01  0:00           ` William Clodius
1997-08-01  0:00           ` William Clodius
     [not found]             ` <5s6ng4$rq7$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au>
1997-08-07  0:00               ` Brian Rogoff
1997-08-11  0:00                 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-08-11  0:00                   ` Brian Rogoff
1997-07-19  0:00 ` robin
1997-07-23  0:00   ` Valerio Bellizzomi
1997-08-01  0:00     ` robin
1997-08-02  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]         ` <5s6q6b$f3$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au>
1997-08-09  0:00           ` Ejon
1997-08-10  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-11  0:00             ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-08-17  0:00             ` robin
1997-08-17  0:00               ` Robert Dewar [this message]
1997-08-22  0:00                 ` robin
     [not found]                   ` <5u3c69$5tj$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au>
1997-08-28  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-30  0:00                     ` robin
1997-09-08  0:00                       ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-09-17  0:00                         ` robin
1997-07-23  0:00   ` Adam Beneschan
1997-07-22  0:00     ` Nasser
1997-07-20  0:00 ` Odo Wolbers
1997-07-21  0:00 ` safetran
1997-07-22  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-07-22  0:00     ` Nasser
1997-07-23  0:00       ` Jon S Anthony
1997-07-27  0:00       ` jorgie
1997-07-28  0:00         ` Peter Hermann
1997-07-21  0:00 ` Anonymous
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1997-08-04  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
1997-08-06  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-06  0:00   ` HARRY R. ERWIN
1997-08-06  0:00     ` rodney
1997-08-10  0:00   ` Fergus Henderson
1997-08-10  0:00     ` Robert A Duff
1997-08-11  0:00     ` Jerry van Dijk
     [not found] ` <01bca387$42ffbce0$18a9f5cd@asip120>
1997-08-13  0:00   ` HARRY R. ERWIN
     [not found]     ` <3404215f.0@news.uni-ulm.de>
1997-08-27  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-13  0:00   ` Mark A Biggar
1997-08-07  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
1997-08-10  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-11  0:00   ` Richard Kenner
1997-08-11  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-11  0:00 ` John English
1997-08-14  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
1997-08-16  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-17  0:00   ` Jerry van Dijk
1997-08-17  0:00     ` No Spam
1997-08-19  0:00       ` John English
1997-08-19  0:00     ` Mike Stark
1997-08-27  0:00       ` Jerry van Dijk
1997-08-19  0:00     ` John English
1997-08-19  0:00   ` John English
1997-08-24  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-26  0:00       ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
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