From: dewar@merv.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar)
Subject: Re: floating point comparison
Date: 1997/08/06
Date: 1997-08-06T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <dewar.870870067@merv> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 33E61497.33E2@pseserv3.fw.hac.com
Wes says
<<I understand floating point well enough to compute with pencil &
paper the correct bit pattern for Pi (3.14159.....) in a VAX
D_FLOAT, but I have never seen IEEE 754. Yet I almost always
treat floats "as if" they were "true" real numbers--and I have
NEVER had a bug traced to this "mistake".
I've worked with a lot of decent programmers whose degrees are in
English, History, EE, ME, .... and most of them could say the same.
I KNOW some of my colleagues have no clue how floating point numbers
are represented, yet still manage to produce working code.
>>
But how would you know it was working as expected? If you have not
done the numerical analysis required to ensure that the accuracy of
the results meets the specification, you are basically in the
hack-away-and-don't-worry-about-whether-it-works-if-it-looks-more-
or-less-reasonable-it-must-be-right mode.
Sure people write code in this mode all the time, and some of it works
by accident. But the cases in which people taking this kind of attitude
to floating-point have created catastrophes are many!
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1997-07-29 0:00 floating point comparison Matthew Heaney
1997-07-30 0:00 ` Jan Galkowski
1997-07-31 0:00 ` Don Taylor
1997-07-31 0:00 ` Russ Lyttle
1997-08-01 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-08-02 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-02 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-08-03 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-04 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-08-05 0:00 ` Jan-Christoph Puchta
1997-08-05 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-08-05 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-08-06 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-07 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-08-08 0:00 ` Peter Shenkin
1997-08-09 0:00 ` Albert Y.C. Lai
1997-08-06 0:00 ` Chris L. Kuszmaul
1997-08-07 0:00 ` Dave Sparks
1997-08-08 0:00 ` Mark Eichin
1997-08-08 0:00 ` Jan-Christoph Puchta
1997-08-09 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-10 0:00 ` Lynn Killingbeck
1997-08-08 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
[not found] ` <5sbb90$qsc@redtail.cruzio.com>
[not found] ` <5scugs$jdc$1@cnn.nas.nasa.gov>
1997-08-07 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-08 0:00 ` Gerhard Heinzel
1997-08-08 0:00 ` Daniel Villeneuve
1997-08-08 0:00 ` schlafly
1997-08-09 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-09 0:00 ` David Ullrich
1997-08-10 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-16 0:00 ` Andrew V. Nesterov
1997-08-18 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-19 0:00 ` Jim Carr
1997-08-21 0:00 ` Christian Bau
1997-08-21 0:00 ` Jim Carr
1997-08-21 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-22 0:00 ` Jim Carr
1997-08-22 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-23 0:00 ` Jim Carr
1997-08-24 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
[not found] ` <5u4eq6$30b$1@news.lth.se>
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-01 0:00 ` Chris RL Morgan
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Andrew V. Nesterov
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
[not found] ` <340DF1DD.2736@iop.com>
1997-09-07 0:00 ` Get_Immediate Robert Dewar
1997-09-07 0:00 ` Get_Immediate Robert Dewar
1997-09-08 0:00 ` Get_Immediate J Giffen
1997-09-01 0:00 ` floating point comparison Jim Carr
[not found] ` <checkerEFx6xI.FCM@netcom.com>
1997-09-03 0:00 ` Chris L. Kuszmaul
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Malome Khomo
1997-09-07 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Jim Carr
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-15 0:00 ` James Pauley
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-23 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-08-23 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-19 0:00 ` Hans Olsson
1997-08-30 0:00 ` Paul Eggert
1997-08-06 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
[not found] ` <33E8E3E1.17EA@pseserv3.fw.hac.com>
[not found] ` <5sbgpk$q0n$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au>
1997-08-07 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
[not found] ` <33FE4603.1B6B@pseserv3.fw.hac.com>
1997-08-23 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-08 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-08-06 0:00 ` Robert Dewar [this message]
[not found] ` <33E8DFF6.6F44@pseserv3.fw.hac.com>
1997-08-07 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
[not found] ` <33EA1251.3466@link.com>
[not found] ` <33EA46CC.226@pseserv3.fw.hac.com>
1997-08-08 0:00 ` Christian Bau
1997-08-12 0:00 ` Martin Tom Brown
1997-08-23 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-08-23 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-09-06 0:00 ` schlafly
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-07 0:00 ` M. J. Saltzman
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Robin Rosenberg
1997-08-07 0:00 ` Dr. Rex A. Dwyer
1997-08-07 0:00 ` Do-While Jones
1997-08-03 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1997-08-03 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-30 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-30 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-07-31 0:00 ` Bob Binder (remove .mapson to email)
1997-07-31 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-01 0:00 ` Dale Stanbrough
1997-08-04 0:00 ` Paul Eggert
1997-08-06 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-14 0:00 ` Paul Eggert
1997-08-01 0:00 ` user
1997-08-02 0:00 ` Lynn Killingbeck
1997-08-03 0:00 ` Bob Binder (remove .mapson to email)
1997-08-03 0:00 ` Charles R. Lyttle
1997-08-03 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-02 0:00 ` Peter L. Montgomery
1997-08-04 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-08-05 0:00 ` Bob Binder (remove .mapson to email)
1997-07-31 0:00 ` Martin Tom Brown
1997-07-31 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-07-31 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-02 0:00 ` Lynn Killingbeck
1997-07-30 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-07-31 0:00 ` Jim Carr
1997-07-31 0:00 ` Gerald Kasner
1997-07-31 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-02 0:00 ` Michael Sierchio
1997-08-08 0:00 ` floating point conversions Mark Lusti
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