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From: dewar@merv.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar)
Subject: Re: Is Ada likely to survive ?
Date: 1997/08/02
Date: 1997-08-02T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <dewar.870537650@merv> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Pine.SGI.3.95.970731190727.17493C-100000@shellx.best.com


Brian says

<<The fact that few seem to be working on extending Ada is certainly
unfortunate IMO. Perhaps as we develop more experience with GNAT the
situation will change. But I think the comparison here isn't completely
fair. How much creative energy is going into extending the ISO Prolog
standard, for example, compared to that going into extending Ada? ;-)
>>

I strongly disagree. Putting lots of work into extending Ada (at the 
language level) is not the most effective use of time. It is of course
entertaining to do, and one would hope that, particularly in academic
circles, there are those willing to play with language extensions
(hopefully using GNAT to prototyp them).

But in terms of serious use of the language, frequent extension and adding
of features is not very helpful. Far better is to work on the infrastructure,
i.e. bindings, reusable libraries, the knolwedge base of how to use Ada
effectively etc. Occasionally new pragmas and attributes may be useful,
but full fledged language changes and extensions carry a heavy burden of
proof to be worth considering.

Sure there are lots of people playing with ways to extend Prolog (it is
very weak in some areas, and sure needs extension -- I still remember 
the presenter at the fifth generation conference in Tokyo saying that
they were looking at prolog, and it looked very good except in the areas
of modularity and abstraction, but never mind, they would add these features.
TO my taste, these "features" still have not been effectively "added" to
Prolog (actually the idea of modularity and abstraction as add on features
strikes me, and struck me at the time in tokyo, as a big ludicrous.)

I do not however think that this "playing around" with the language is
particularly helpful to the serious use of prolog.






  reply	other threads:[~1997-08-02  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1997-07-18  0:00 Is Ada likely to survive ? safetran
1997-07-18  0:00 ` Stanley Allen
1997-07-19  0:00 ` robin
1997-07-23  0:00   ` Valerio Bellizzomi
1997-08-01  0:00     ` robin
1997-08-02  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]         ` <5s6q6b$f3$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au>
1997-08-09  0:00           ` Ejon
1997-08-10  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-11  0:00             ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-08-17  0:00             ` robin
1997-08-17  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-22  0:00                 ` robin
     [not found]                   ` <5u3c69$5tj$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au>
1997-08-28  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-30  0:00                     ` robin
1997-09-08  0:00                       ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-09-17  0:00                         ` robin
1997-07-23  0:00   ` Adam Beneschan
1997-07-22  0:00     ` Nasser
1997-07-19  0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1997-07-21  0:00   ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-07-28  0:00     ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-07-29  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-29  0:00         ` dcw
1997-07-30  0:00         ` Steve Jones - JON
1997-07-30  0:00       ` HARRY R. ERWIN
1997-07-31  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-31  0:00           ` Brian Rogoff
1997-08-01  0:00             ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-08-03  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-05  0:00                 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-07-31  0:00         ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-07-31  0:00           ` HARRY R. ERWIN
1997-07-31  0:00           ` Brian Rogoff
1997-08-02  0:00             ` Robert Dewar [this message]
1997-08-02  0:00               ` Brian Rogoff
1997-08-03  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-01  0:00           ` William Clodius
1997-08-01  0:00           ` William Clodius
     [not found]             ` <5s6ng4$rq7$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au>
1997-08-07  0:00               ` Brian Rogoff
1997-08-11  0:00                 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-08-11  0:00                   ` Brian Rogoff
1997-07-19  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-20  0:00   ` Paul Van Bellinghen
1997-07-21  0:00   ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-07-20  0:00 ` Odo Wolbers
1997-07-21  0:00 ` safetran
1997-07-22  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-07-22  0:00     ` Nasser
1997-07-23  0:00       ` Jon S Anthony
1997-07-27  0:00       ` jorgie
1997-07-28  0:00         ` Peter Hermann
1997-07-21  0:00 ` Anonymous
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1997-08-04  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
1997-08-06  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-06  0:00   ` HARRY R. ERWIN
1997-08-06  0:00     ` rodney
1997-08-10  0:00   ` Fergus Henderson
1997-08-10  0:00     ` Robert A Duff
1997-08-11  0:00     ` Jerry van Dijk
     [not found] ` <01bca387$42ffbce0$18a9f5cd@asip120>
1997-08-13  0:00   ` Mark A Biggar
1997-08-13  0:00   ` HARRY R. ERWIN
     [not found]     ` <3404215f.0@news.uni-ulm.de>
1997-08-27  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-07  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
1997-08-10  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-11  0:00   ` Richard Kenner
1997-08-11  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-11  0:00 ` John English
1997-08-14  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
1997-08-16  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-17  0:00   ` Jerry van Dijk
1997-08-17  0:00     ` No Spam
1997-08-19  0:00       ` John English
1997-08-19  0:00     ` Mike Stark
1997-08-27  0:00       ` Jerry van Dijk
1997-08-19  0:00     ` John English
1997-08-19  0:00   ` John English
1997-08-24  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-26  0:00       ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
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