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From: dewar@merv.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar)
Subject: Re: ada and robots
Date: 1997/06/20
Date: 1997-06-20T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <dewar.866845946@merv> (raw)
In-Reply-To: EBxtAs.3xK@world.std.com


Bob Duff wrote

(regarding variable length parameter lists in Ada, lack thereof)

<<Granted.  IMHO, a "nice to have" feature, but certainly nothing to do
with why C is better or worse at accessing low-level hardware
functionality.  It was left out of Ada to simplify the language.
 

I disagree, there are two issues here. Variable length lists of homogenous
types (which can include of course collectoins of pointers to different
subtype instances of a class) can perfectly well be passed. For example,
a routine called put_lines that outputs a series of lines can be called

put_lines (("line1", "line2", "line3"));

This kind of "implicit rowing" first appeared in Algol68, and is a very
convenient way of dealing with variable length parameter lists.

However, what the C folks might want is the completely general capability
for variable length lists of arbitrary heterogenous types. This is possible
in C, but is seriously type unsafe. Furthermore, there is no obvious way it
can be made type safe. Hence this feature definitely should be rejected, as
should any programmer who feels they cannot program without it.

To be fair, it is possible to get something like this by means of an implicit
uniting coercion, but it is really very little trouble to introduce this
explicitly.

So for example, suppose you want a routine that takes an arbitrary list
of integers and floats (could obviously be extended), then you could make
a routine in Ada that looked like

  printf ("the value of x is % and the value of y is %",
            (I(integer expr), F(float expr)));

which seems close enough to the C notation if this is really what you want.







  parent reply	other threads:[~1997-06-20  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 134+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1997-05-28  0:00 ada and robots John Bohn
1997-05-29  0:00 ` Stephen Leake
1997-05-29  0:00 ` Michael F Brenner
1997-05-30  0:00 ` John Cook
1997-05-30  0:00   ` Tom Moran
1997-06-01  0:00     ` Dale Stanbrough
1997-06-02  0:00       ` John G. Volan
     [not found]         ` <5mv984$7kn@news.emi.com>
1997-06-03  0:00           ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-04  0:00             ` Pat Rogers
1997-06-05  0:00               ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-14  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-16  0:00                 ` Ken Garlington
1997-06-16  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-17  0:00                   ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-28  0:00                     ` Mike Stark
1997-07-03  0:00                       ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-04  0:00             ` John G. Volan
1997-06-05  0:00               ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-14  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-17  0:00                   ` Joe Gwinn
1997-07-03  0:00                     ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
     [not found]               ` <9706052229.AA29554@jaguar.nmc.ed.ray.com>
1997-06-06  0:00                 ` John G. Volan
1997-06-07  0:00                   ` RC
1997-06-09  0:00                   ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-05  0:00             ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-05  0:00               ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-14  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-10  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-10  0:00               ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-11  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-12  0:00                   ` George Haddad
1997-06-16  0:00                   ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-06-17  0:00                     ` Stephen Leake
1997-06-17  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
1997-06-20  0:00                       ` jim granville
1997-06-21  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-24  0:00                           ` Re(dux): Ada for small machines (was Re: ada and robots) Ken Garlington
1997-06-29  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-29  0:00                         ` ada and robots Matthew Heaney
1997-07-03  0:00                           ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-07-13  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-17  0:00                     ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-17  0:00                       ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-06-18  0:00                         ` Samuel Mize
1997-06-18  0:00                           ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-06-18  0:00                         ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-22  0:00                           ` John G. Volan
1997-06-18  0:00                         ` Robert A Duff
1997-06-17  0:00                     ` Samuel Mize
1997-06-18  0:00                       ` Steve O'Neill
1997-06-19  0:00                         ` Anonymous
1997-06-19  0:00                       ` Kenneth W. Sodemann
1997-06-20  0:00                       ` Stephen Leake
1997-06-20  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-17  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-17  0:00                     ` Robert A Duff
1997-06-18  0:00                       ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-17  0:00                         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-06-20  0:00                       ` Adam Beneschan
1997-06-20  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar [this message]
1997-06-03  0:00           ` Martin A. Stembel
1997-06-04  0:00         ` RC
1997-06-04  0:00           ` Larry Kilgallen
1997-06-04  0:00           ` John G. Volan
1997-06-05  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-02  0:00     ` Nick Roberts
1997-06-04  0:00       ` Jan Galkowski
1997-06-05  0:00         ` Albert K. Lee
1997-06-06  0:00           ` dana
1997-06-07  0:00             ` John G. Volan
1997-06-10  0:00               ` dana
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1997-06-05  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-09  0:00 ` Jerry Petrey
1997-06-10  0:00   ` Alan Brain
1997-06-10  0:00     ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-11  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-11  0:00         ` Samuel Mize
1997-06-13  0:00           ` Erik Magnuson
1997-06-17  0:00         ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-18  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-19  0:00             ` Jonathan Guthrie
1997-06-20  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-11  0:00       ` Alan Brain
1997-06-11  0:00         ` Spam Hater
1997-06-11  0:00         ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-05  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-09  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-12  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-16  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-16  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-17  0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-18  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-18  0:00     ` Brian Rogoff
1997-06-20  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-23  0:00     ` Geert Bosch
1997-07-02  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-23  0:00     ` Richard Kenner
1997-06-23  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-25  0:00   ` Jonathan Guthrie
1997-06-25  0:00   ` Will Rose
1997-06-21  0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1997-06-19  0:00 Jon S Anthony
1997-06-19  0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1997-06-20  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-22  0:00   ` John G. Volan
1997-06-25  0:00     ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-06-23  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-24  0:00     ` Brian Rogoff
1997-06-20  0:00 Ada " Huy Vo
1997-06-23  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-24  0:00 Huy Vo
1997-06-25  0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-25  0:00 ` Alan Brain
1997-06-25  0:00 ` Dale Stanbrough
1997-06-25  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-26  0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-01  0:00   ` Tom Moran
1997-06-26  0:00 Huy Vo
1997-06-27  0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-06-27  0:00 ` Alan Brain
1997-06-27  0:00   ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-27  0:00   ` Stephen Leake
1997-06-27  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-27  0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-27  0:00 ` nma123
     [not found] <867541382.23405@dejanews.com>
1997-06-29  0:00 ` John Howard
1997-06-30  0:00 Huy Vo
1997-07-01  0:00 ` Alan Brain
1997-07-11  0:00   ` Will Rose
1997-07-02  0:00 ` Mattias Sj�sv�rd
1997-07-01  0:00 Huy Vo
1997-07-02  0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-07-02  0:00 Huy Vo
1997-07-04  0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
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