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From: dewar@merv.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar)
Subject: Re: gnat-3.10
Date: 1997/06/17
Date: 1997-06-17T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <dewar.866559209@merv> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 5o480g$tqk$3@mdnews.btv.ibm.com


Dale says

<<More importantly, ACT and Cygnus, among others are an absolutely
critical experiment in the software industry. They will answer the
question, "Is there any middleground between students/hobbyists
hacking away at GNU code and commercial software houses like Micro-
soft?" Only a little bit of GNU code has made it to the mainstream,
and it's still pretty well untrusted in the business world, and
it's all because of "support." Even though informal Usenet support
from the author/maintainer is usually better than any company,
business demands a business>>

The reason that business demands a business is that they need to be sure
they have support when they need it, and that they get to decide when the
need for support arises. It is interesting that more and more of our support
is not related to bugs in GNAT, but rather, as people build more complex
applications using GNAT, and using the more complex features of Ada 95,
with giving people assistance in the use of GNAT. Also a lot of our
business relates to special purpose needs.

Yes, sometimes informal Usenet support can be quite effective, but on the
other hand, it can sometimes be highly unreliable. In particular, people
giving free support can quite reasonably take the attitude that you should
spend a lot of your time creating an absolutely clear example, which can be
a very time consuing excercise.

We quite often deal with large programs which don't seem to work at some 
particular point, and we dig around. Sometimes the digging shows up a GNAT
bug, sometimes a bug in the customer code, sometimes just a misunderstanding.
This digging can of course be very time consuming.

Also, I think the informal model works best when you have a program that is
of a level that one person can maintain it as a spare time hobby. Free software
has faired quite well, even without formal support in this kind of situation.

However, this model does not work well for large complex pieces of software,
like GCC, or GNAT, where you need a team of people working full time. In such
cases, the Cygnus or ACT model seems more workable (a similar situation is
true with Linux/GNU where more than one company has sprung up to support
this system.





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1997-05-28  0:00 gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-05-29  0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-05-30  0:00   ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-06-07  0:00     ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
     [not found]       ` <m2vi3kpuay.fsf@devo.ridgenet.net>
1997-06-12  0:00         ` gnat-3.10 Stephen Leake
1997-06-12  0:00         ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-06-12  0:00           ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-06-13  0:00             ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-06-13  0:00               ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-06-16  0:00                 ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-06-16  0:00                   ` gnat-3.10 Dale Pontius
1997-06-17  0:00                     ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-06-18  0:00                       ` gnat-3.10 Andrew Lynch
1997-06-18  0:00                         ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-06-18  0:00                       ` gnat-3.10 Dale Pontius
1997-06-17  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar [this message]
1997-06-18  0:00                       ` gnat-3.10 Richard Kenner
1997-06-19  0:00                     ` gnat-3.10 Arthur Schwarz
1997-06-16  0:00                   ` gnat-3.10 CHARLET Arnaud
1997-06-17  0:00                     ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-06-18  0:00                       ` gnat-3.10 Samuel Tardieu
1997-06-16  0:00               ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-06-16  0:00                 ` Building gnat-3.10 from source (was: gnat-3.10) Larry Kilgallen
1997-06-17  0:00                   ` Ronald Cole
1997-06-17  0:00                 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-06-20  0:00                   ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-06-22  0:00                     ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-06-23  0:00                       ` gnat-3.10 Corey Minyard
1997-07-01  0:00                         ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-07-01  0:00                         ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-07-01  0:00                         ` gnat-3.10 Richard Kenner
1997-06-23  0:00                       ` gnat-3.10 Larry Kilgallen
1997-06-27  0:00                         ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-06-28  0:00                           ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-06-28  0:00                           ` gnat-3.10 Larry Kilgallen
1997-06-28  0:00                           ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-06-29  0:00                             ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-06-30  0:00                               ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-07-02  0:00                                 ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-07-03  0:00                                 ` gnat-3.10 Joerg Rodemann
1997-07-03  0:00                                 ` gnat-3.10 Daniel R Risacher
1997-07-04  0:00                                   ` gnat-3.10 David Kastrup
1997-06-30  0:00                               ` gnat-3.10 David Kastrup
1997-06-30  0:00                               ` gnat-3.10 Fergus Henderson
1997-06-30  0:00                               ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-07-01  0:00                                 ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-07-02  0:00                                   ` gnat-3.10 Philip Brashear
1997-07-02  0:00                                   ` gnat-3.10 James Rogers
1997-07-03  0:00                                     ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-07-08  0:00                                   ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-07-10  0:00                                     ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-07-11  0:00                                       ` gnat-3.10 Richard Kenner
1997-06-23  0:00                       ` gnat-3.10 Richard Kenner
1997-06-23  0:00                       ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-06-24  0:00                         ` what DOES the GPL really say? Spam Hater
1997-06-25  0:00                           ` Richard Kenner
1997-06-25  0:00                             ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-25  0:00                               ` gnat-3.10 Dale Stanbrough
1997-07-01  0:00                                 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-07-01  0:00                                   ` gnat-3.10 James Rogers
1997-07-02  0:00                                     ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-07-01  0:00                                 ` gnat-3.10 Richard Kenner
1997-06-25  0:00                               ` what DOES the GPL really say? Paul D. Smith
1997-06-26  0:00                               ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-26  0:00                                 ` Samuel Mize
1997-06-26  0:00                                   ` Thomas Bushnell, n/BSG
1997-06-26  0:00                                     ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-26  0:00                                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-29  0:00                                         ` user
1997-06-29  0:00                                           ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-29  0:00                                             ` user
1997-06-29  0:00                                               ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-29  0:00                                         ` Kai Henningsen
1997-07-05  0:00                                           ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-27  0:00                                       ` Stephen Leake
1997-06-27  0:00                                     ` Samuel Mize
1997-06-28  0:00                                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-30  0:00                                         ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-30  0:00                                           ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-30  0:00                                             ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-30  0:00                                       ` Thomas Bushnell, n/BSG
1997-06-30  0:00                                         ` Wes Groleau
1997-07-01  0:00                                         ` Samuel Mize
1997-06-26  0:00                                   ` Thomas Bushnell, n/BSG
1997-06-27  0:00                                     ` Leslie Mikesell
1997-06-26  0:00                                   ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-26  0:00                                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-27  0:00                                       ` Samuel Mize
1997-06-30  0:00                                         ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-27  0:00                                     ` kdp0101
1997-06-30  0:00                                       ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-26  0:00                                 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-26  0:00                               ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-26  0:00                                 ` Samuel Mize
1997-06-26  0:00                                 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-26  0:00                                   ` GLADE and GPL (was: what DOES the GPL really say?) Roy T. Fielding
1997-06-26  0:00                                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-27  0:00                                     ` David Weller
1997-06-27  0:00                                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-30  0:00                                         ` David Weller
1997-07-01  0:00                                           ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-28  0:00                                       ` Richard Kenner
1997-06-27  0:00                                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-28  0:00                                           ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-01  0:00                                           ` Richard Kenner
1997-06-28  0:00                                         ` Richard Kenner
1997-06-30  0:00                                         ` David Weller
1997-07-03  0:00                                         ` Steve Peltz
1997-07-04  0:00                                           ` Richard Kenner
1997-07-01  0:00                                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-02  0:00                                         ` David Weller
1997-06-27  0:00                                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-28  0:00                                       ` Roy T. Fielding
1997-06-29  0:00                                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-29  0:00                                         ` David Kastrup
1997-06-29  0:00                                         ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]                                         ` <dewar.867556141@merv>
1997-06-30  0:00                                           ` Roy T. Fielding
1997-07-01  0:00                                             ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]                                         ` <dewar.867554947@merv>
1997-06-30  0:00                                           ` Roy T. Fielding
1997-06-26  0:00                               ` what DOES the GPL really say? Richard Kenner
1997-06-26  0:00                             ` David Kastrup
1997-06-27  0:00                             ` Ronald Cole
1997-06-28  0:00                               ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-28  0:00                                 ` Olivier Galibert
     [not found]                                   ` <dewar.867554739@merv>
1997-06-29  0:00                                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-30  0:00                                       ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-30  0:00                                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-29  0:00                                 ` Ronald Cole
1997-06-30  0:00                                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-01  0:00                                 ` Richard Watts
1997-07-01  0:00                                   ` Richard Kenner
1997-07-03  0:00                                     ` Steve Peltz
1997-07-04  0:00                                       ` Richard Kenner
1997-07-04  0:00                                         ` Olivier Galibert
1997-07-08  0:00                                           ` Richard Kenner
1997-07-08  0:00                                             ` Bill Gribble
1997-07-09  0:00                                             ` David Kastrup
1997-07-09  0:00                                               ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-09  0:00                                                 ` Richard Kenner
1997-07-09  0:00                                               ` Richard Kenner
     [not found]                                         ` <5pmg6e$nai$1@Venus.mcs.net>
1997-07-05  0:00                                           ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-05  0:00                                           ` user
1997-07-05  0:00                                             ` Leslie Mikesell
1997-07-05  0:00                                               ` Paul Eggert
1997-07-07  0:00                                                 ` Leslie Mikesell
1997-07-06  0:00                                               ` user
1997-07-06  0:00                                                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-06  0:00                                               ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-08  0:00                                               ` Richard Kenner
1997-07-08  0:00                                           ` Richard Kenner
1997-07-08  0:00                                         ` Steve Peltz
1997-07-08  0:00                                           ` Richard Kenner
1997-07-14  0:00                                             ` Steve Peltz
1997-07-14  0:00                                               ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-14  0:00                                               ` Richard Kenner
1997-07-20  0:00                                               ` Ronald Cole
1997-07-21  0:00                                                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-21  0:00                                                   ` Ronald Cole
1997-07-22  0:00                                                     ` Isaac
1997-07-22  0:00                                                       ` Leslie Mikesell
1997-07-23  0:00                                                         ` Isaac
1997-07-23  0:00                                                           ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-07-29  0:00                                                             ` Ronald Cole
1997-07-23  0:00                                                       ` David Kastrup
1997-07-23  0:00                                                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-29  0:00                                                         ` Ronald Cole
1997-07-30  0:00                                                           ` Joe Buck
1997-07-23  0:00                                                       ` Ronald Cole
1997-07-24  0:00                                                         ` Isaac
1997-07-25  0:00                                                           ` B.Stephens
1997-07-29  0:00                                                           ` Ronald Cole
1997-07-24  0:00                                                         ` David Kastrup
1997-07-27  0:00                                                     ` Richard Kenner
1997-07-29  0:00                                                       ` Ronald Cole
1997-07-21  0:00                                                 ` Samuel Tardieu
1997-07-21  0:00                                                 ` Richard Kenner
1997-07-23  0:00                                                 ` Chris Morgan
1997-07-29  0:00                                                   ` Ronald Cole
1997-07-30  0:00                                                     ` Chris Morgan
1997-08-04  0:00                                                       ` Ronald Cole
1997-08-05  0:00                                                         ` David Kastrup
1997-08-09  0:00                                                           ` David Masterson
1997-08-11  0:00                                                             ` David Kastrup
     [not found]                                                         ` <dewar.870872644@merv>
     [not found]                                                           ` <dewar.870873584@merv>
1997-08-12  0:00                                                             ` Ronald Cole
1997-08-13  0:00                                                               ` David Kastrup
1997-08-13  0:00                                                                 ` Ronald Cole
1997-08-15  0:00                                                               ` Isaac
1997-08-19  0:00                                                                 ` Ronald Cole
1997-08-16  0:00                                                               ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-16  0:00                                                                 ` Thomas Koenig
1997-08-17  0:00                                                                 ` Leslie Mikesell
1997-08-19  0:00                                                                   ` Ronald Cole
1997-08-20  0:00                                                                 ` Mike Stump
1997-08-20  0:00                                                                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-21  0:00                                                                     ` Thomas Koenig
1997-08-21  0:00                                                                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-21  0:00                                                                       ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]                                                                         ` <EFIyr0.Erq@kithrup.com>
     [not found]                                                                           ` <34032CE9.77E@link.com>
1997-08-27  0:00                                                                             ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]                                                                               ` <5u11n0$emm@fg70.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>
1997-08-27  0:00                                                                                 ` Simon Wright
1997-08-27  0:00                                                                                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-21  0:00                                                                     ` Paul Lyon
1997-08-22  0:00                                                                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-21  0:00                                                                   ` egcs (Re: what DOES the GPL really say?) Marinos J. Yannikos
1997-08-21  0:00                                                                     ` Andreas Schwab
1997-08-20  0:00                                                                 ` what DOES the GPL really say? Ronald Cole
1997-08-20  0:00                                                                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-25  0:00                                                                     ` Ronald Cole
     [not found]                                                                     ` <hjb-3008970231180001@chaos.dial.idiom.com>
1997-09-02  0:00                                                                       ` Ted Goldblatt
1997-09-02  0:00                                                                         ` Hwa-Jin Bae
1997-09-03  0:00                                                                           ` Ted Goldblatt
1997-09-03  0:00                                                                             ` Hwa-Jin Bae
1997-09-07  0:00                                                                               ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-05  0:00                                                                             ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-08  0:00                                                                               ` Mark Wooding
1997-09-09  0:00                                                                                 ` Isaac
1997-09-08  0:00                                                                               ` Ted Goldblatt
1997-09-05  0:00                                                                           ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-05  0:00                                                                         ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]                                                         ` <33E974F3.1AAC@ix.netcom.com>
1997-08-12  0:00                                                           ` Ronald Cole
1997-08-12  0:00                                                             ` Chris Morgan
1997-08-16  0:00                                                               ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-19  0:00                                                               ` Ronald Cole
1997-08-21  0:00                                                                 ` Richard Kenner
1997-08-25  0:00                                                                   ` Ronald Cole
     [not found]                                                                     ` <5tujkj$qr9$1@news.nyu.edu>
1997-08-29  0:00                                                                       ` Ronald Cole
1997-08-30  0:00                                                                         ` Richard Kenner
1997-08-30  0:00                                                                           ` Toon Moene
     [not found]                                                                             ` <5ubkbp$e69$1@news.nyu.edu>
1997-08-31  0:00                                                                               ` Toon Moene
1997-09-01  0:00                                                                                 ` Craig Burley
1997-09-01  0:00                                                                               ` Craig Burley
1997-09-02  0:00                                                                           ` Ronald Cole
1997-09-05  0:00                                                                             ` Richard Kenner
1997-09-06  0:00                                                                               ` Remy Card
1997-09-07  0:00                                                                                 ` rosalia
1997-09-10  0:00                                                                                 ` Richard Kenner
1997-09-11  0:00                                                                                   ` egcs. Was: " David Kastrup
1997-08-13  0:00                                                           ` David Kastrup
1997-07-23  0:00                                                 ` David Kastrup
1997-06-30  0:00                               ` Thomas Bushnell, n/BSG
1997-07-01  0:00                                 ` Scott Michel
1997-07-01  0:00                                   ` Thomas Bushnell, n/BSG
1997-07-02  0:00                                     ` David Weller
1997-07-02  0:00                                       ` Thomas Bushnell, n/BSG
1997-07-02  0:00                                         ` Mark Atwood
1997-07-02  0:00                                           ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-07-06  0:00                                         ` Stefan Monnier
1997-07-02  0:00                                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-02  0:00                                     ` Rand Kant Hegel with Aristotle ? Wes Groleau
1997-07-07  0:00                                       ` Thomas Bushnell, n/BSG
1997-07-08  0:00                                         ` Michael F Brenner
1997-07-09  0:00                                           ` Thomas Bushnell, n/BSG
1997-06-27  0:00                           ` what DOES the GPL really say? Robert Dewar
1997-06-27  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-30  0:00                             ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-17  0:00                 ` gnat-3.10 Pascal Obry
1997-06-16  0:00             ` gnat-3.10 Joerg Rodemann
1997-06-17  0:00               ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-06-14  0:00         ` gnat-3.10 Jerry van Dijk
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