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From: dewar@merv.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar)
Subject: Re: Not intended for use in medical,
Date: 1997/05/14
Date: 1997-05-14T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <dewar.863607971@merv> (raw)
In-Reply-To: mheaney-ya023680001305972040190001@news.ni.net


Jon said

>Well, yes, but this is more an explanation based on a symptom.  The
>real real reason is that A68 used a real formal specification based on
>W-grammars.  If not the implementors, then certainly the joe-average
>person looking into the language found this more or less impenetrable
>=> can't understand what it is => no hope of understanding how to use
>it => no desire to use it => no demand for it => no commercial
>pressure for compilers.


For the implementors, the formal report was great. I only wish that I
had something that easy to follow precisely for other languages. True,
there was a HUGE learning barrier, and only a few dozen people ever got
to the point of really knowing this document well (I was one, but then
I was chair of WG2.1, and chair of the Algol-68 mainteance committee
for a while, so I should hope so :-)

It was definitely NOT a document for beginners, or even reasonably
experienced experts. But people did not learn Algol-68 from the RR
anyway. They learned it, for example, from the very nice 70 page yellow
book that came with the Algol-68R compiler -- an easy evening's read --
I only wish there were something equivalent for Ada ...

But people do not really get interested in a language until there are
implementations around, and implementations only appear if there are
commercial interests in funding such implementations. Algol-68 was,
as are most modern languages, not the kind of language that someone
can write a compiler for in their spare time -- several tried and
failed, although a couple of the non-funded compilers (algol-68S
and algol-68C -- the latter from Steve Bourne of the Bourne shell --
that's why the Bourne shell is a68 like) were quite successful.






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Thread overview: 127+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1997-04-23  0:00 Not intended for use in medical, Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
1997-04-24  0:00 ` J. Florio
1997-04-25  0:00 ` Kevin Cline
1997-04-25  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-25  0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-04-28  0:00 ` John Apa
1997-04-28  0:00   ` John M. Mills
1997-04-30  0:00     ` Larry Kilgallen
1997-05-02  0:00       ` Nick Roberts
1997-04-28  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-29  0:00     ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-04-30  0:00       ` John Apa
     [not found]       ` <3367CE1E.5ED1@die_spammer.dasd.honeywell.com>
1997-05-01  0:00         ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-03  0:00       ` Simon Wright
1997-05-04  0:00         ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-04  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-04  0:00             ` Richard Kenner
1997-05-05  0:00             ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-06  0:00               ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-06  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1997-05-07  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-08  0:00                     ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-08  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-09  0:00                         ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-12  0:00                       ` W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
1997-05-12  0:00                         ` John G. Volan
1997-05-14  0:00                       ` Nick Roberts
1997-05-14  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-14  0:00                           ` Jeff Carter
     [not found]                             ` <dewar.863632434@merv>
1997-05-15  0:00                               ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-18  0:00                                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-15  0:00                         ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-08  0:00                     ` Robert A Duff
1997-05-09  0:00                       ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-11  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-11  0:00                           ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-12  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-12  0:00                               ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-13  0:00                                 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-13  0:00                                   ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-14  0:00                                     ` Robert Dewar [this message]
1997-05-14  0:00                                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-14  0:00                                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-15  0:00                                   ` W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
1997-05-14  0:00                                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-14  0:00                                 ` Nick Roberts
1997-05-12  0:00                           ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-13  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-14  0:00                               ` Nick Roberts
1997-05-14  0:00                                 ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]                                   ` <01bc6182$30e3a7c0$LocalHost@xhv46.dial.pipex.com>
1997-05-16  0:00                                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-16  0:00                                     ` Robert A Duff
1997-05-16  0:00                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-18  0:00                                         ` Nick Roberts
1997-05-18  0:00                                           ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-19  0:00                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-19  0:00                                               ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-20  0:00                                                 ` Nick Roberts
1997-05-20  0:00                                                   ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-21  0:00                                                     ` Dale Stanbrough
1997-05-19  0:00                                             ` Robert A Duff
1997-05-08  0:00                     ` John G. Volan
1997-05-10  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-10  0:00                         ` John G. Volan
1997-05-11  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-11  0:00                             ` John G. Volan
1997-05-11  0:00                               ` Robert A Duff
1997-05-12  0:00                                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-12  0:00                                 ` John G. Volan
1997-05-11  0:00                             ` John G. Volan
1997-05-11  0:00                               ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-12  0:00                             ` John G. Volan
1997-05-12  0:00                               ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-17  0:00                               ` Robert I. Eachus
     [not found]                                 ` <dewar.863877808@merv>
1997-05-17  0:00                                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-17  0:00                                     ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-21  0:00                                       ` Syntax for tagged record types (was Re: Not intended for use in medical,) Ben Brosgol
1997-05-20  0:00                                         ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-21  0:00                                           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-21  0:00                                             ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-22  0:00                                               ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-25  0:00                                                 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-28  0:00                                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-23  0:00                                               ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-23  0:00                                                 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-25  0:00                                                   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-28  0:00                                                   ` Syntax for tagged record types (was Re David Kristola
1997-05-23  0:00                                                 ` Syntax for tagged record types (was Re: Not intended for use in medical,) Simon Wright
1997-05-21  0:00                                           ` Syntax for tagged record types and class types Mats Weber
1997-05-21  0:00                                             ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-22  0:00                                               ` Mats Weber
1997-05-27  0:00                                               ` Tucker Taft
1997-05-30  0:00                                                 ` Mats.Weber
1997-05-22  0:00                                             ` Samuel A. Mize
1997-05-22  0:00                                               ` Samuel A. Mize
1997-05-23  0:00                                               ` Mats Weber
     [not found]                                         ` <mheaney-ya023680002005972314260001@news.ni.net <mheaney-ya023680002105972302430001@news.ni.net>
1997-05-22  0:00                                           ` Syntax for tagged record types (was Re: Not intended for use in medical,) Robert A Duff
1997-05-22  0:00                                             ` John G. Volan
1997-05-23  0:00                                               ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-23  0:00                                               ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-23  0:00                                                 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-23  0:00                                                   ` John G. Volan
1997-05-24  0:00                                                     ` Robert A Duff
1997-05-24  0:00                                                       ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-28  0:00                                                         ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-25  0:00                                                     ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-23  0:00                                                   ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-25  0:00                                                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-25  0:00                                                     ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-27  0:00                                                     ` Ray Blaak
1997-05-12  0:00                             ` Not intended for use in medical, John G. Volan
1997-05-12  0:00                         ` Language Design Mistakes (was "not intended...") W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
1997-05-13  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-13  0:00                             ` W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
1997-05-13  0:00                             ` Robert A Duff
1997-05-14  0:00                               ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-07  0:00                   ` Not intended for use in medical, Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-08  0:00                     ` Robert A Duff
1997-05-04  0:00         ` Richard Kenner
1997-05-04  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
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1997-04-25  0:00 Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
1997-05-12  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-05-13  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-14  0:00 tmoran
1997-05-14  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-05-14  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-05-19  0:00 Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
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