From: dewar@merv.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar)
Subject: Re: Not intended for use in medical,
Date: 1997/05/14
Date: 1997-05-14T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <dewar.863607971@merv> (raw)
In-Reply-To: mheaney-ya023680001305972040190001@news.ni.net
Jon said
>Well, yes, but this is more an explanation based on a symptom. The
>real real reason is that A68 used a real formal specification based on
>W-grammars. If not the implementors, then certainly the joe-average
>person looking into the language found this more or less impenetrable
>=> can't understand what it is => no hope of understanding how to use
>it => no desire to use it => no demand for it => no commercial
>pressure for compilers.
For the implementors, the formal report was great. I only wish that I
had something that easy to follow precisely for other languages. True,
there was a HUGE learning barrier, and only a few dozen people ever got
to the point of really knowing this document well (I was one, but then
I was chair of WG2.1, and chair of the Algol-68 mainteance committee
for a while, so I should hope so :-)
It was definitely NOT a document for beginners, or even reasonably
experienced experts. But people did not learn Algol-68 from the RR
anyway. They learned it, for example, from the very nice 70 page yellow
book that came with the Algol-68R compiler -- an easy evening's read --
I only wish there were something equivalent for Ada ...
But people do not really get interested in a language until there are
implementations around, and implementations only appear if there are
commercial interests in funding such implementations. Algol-68 was,
as are most modern languages, not the kind of language that someone
can write a compiler for in their spare time -- several tried and
failed, although a couple of the non-funded compilers (algol-68S
and algol-68C -- the latter from Steve Bourne of the Bourne shell --
that's why the Bourne shell is a68 like) were quite successful.
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1997-04-23 0:00 Not intended for use in medical, Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
1997-04-24 0:00 ` J. Florio
1997-04-25 0:00 ` Kevin Cline
1997-04-25 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-25 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-04-28 0:00 ` John Apa
1997-04-28 0:00 ` John M. Mills
1997-04-30 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1997-05-02 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1997-04-28 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-29 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-04-30 0:00 ` John Apa
[not found] ` <3367CE1E.5ED1@die_spammer.dasd.honeywell.com>
1997-05-01 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-03 0:00 ` Simon Wright
1997-05-04 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-04 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-04 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-05-05 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-06 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-06 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-05-07 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-08 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-08 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-09 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-12 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
1997-05-12 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-05-14 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1997-05-14 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-14 0:00 ` Jeff Carter
[not found] ` <dewar.863632434@merv>
1997-05-15 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-18 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-15 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-08 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-05-09 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-11 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-12 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-12 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-13 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-13 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-14 0:00 ` Robert Dewar [this message]
1997-05-14 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-14 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-15 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
1997-05-14 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-14 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1997-05-12 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-13 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-14 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1997-05-14 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
[not found] ` <01bc6182$30e3a7c0$LocalHost@xhv46.dial.pipex.com>
1997-05-16 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-16 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-05-16 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-18 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1997-05-18 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-19 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-19 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-20 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1997-05-20 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-21 0:00 ` Dale Stanbrough
1997-05-19 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-05-08 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-05-10 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-10 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-05-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-11 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-05-11 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-05-12 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-12 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-05-11 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-05-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-12 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-05-12 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-17 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
[not found] ` <dewar.863877808@merv>
1997-05-17 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-17 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-21 0:00 ` Syntax for tagged record types (was Re: Not intended for use in medical,) Ben Brosgol
1997-05-20 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-21 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-21 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-22 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-25 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-28 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-23 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-23 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-25 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-28 0:00 ` Syntax for tagged record types (was Re David Kristola
1997-05-23 0:00 ` Syntax for tagged record types (was Re: Not intended for use in medical,) Simon Wright
1997-05-21 0:00 ` Syntax for tagged record types and class types Mats Weber
1997-05-21 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-22 0:00 ` Mats Weber
1997-05-27 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1997-05-30 0:00 ` Mats.Weber
1997-05-22 0:00 ` Samuel A. Mize
1997-05-22 0:00 ` Samuel A. Mize
1997-05-23 0:00 ` Mats Weber
[not found] ` <mheaney-ya023680002005972314260001@news.ni.net <mheaney-ya023680002105972302430001@news.ni.net>
1997-05-22 0:00 ` Syntax for tagged record types (was Re: Not intended for use in medical,) Robert A Duff
1997-05-22 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-05-23 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-23 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-23 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-23 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-05-24 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-05-24 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-28 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-25 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-23 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-25 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-25 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-27 0:00 ` Ray Blaak
1997-05-12 0:00 ` Not intended for use in medical, John G. Volan
1997-05-12 0:00 ` Language Design Mistakes (was "not intended...") W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
1997-05-13 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-13 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
1997-05-13 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-05-14 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-07 0:00 ` Not intended for use in medical, Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-08 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-05-04 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-05-04 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
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1997-04-25 0:00 Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
1997-05-12 0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-05-13 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-14 0:00 tmoran
1997-05-14 0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-05-14 0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-05-19 0:00 Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
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