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From: dewar@merv.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar)
Subject: Re: Warning: Religious naming convention discussion :-) [was: assign help!!]
Date: 1997/05/10
Date: 1997-05-10T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <dewar.863276909@merv> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3373666A.31DFF4F5@spam.innocon.com


John Volan says

<<"John G. Volan" <johnvolan@sprintmail.com> writes:
...
>I only wish the original designers of Ada83 had clued into this style
>from the start.  I find myself wishing Ada95 looked more like this:

>    Integer   : Integer_Type;
>    Natural   : Natural_Type;
>    Float     : Float_Type;
>    Boolean   : Boolean_Type;
>    Character : Character_Type;
>    String    : String_Type;
>    Duration  : Duration_Type;>>

It really is remkarable how some people can take a good idea, and then
kill it by applying it in a completely blind manner. Assuming (a bit
of a reach) that the above is NOT meant as humour, I really find it
hard to believe that anyone would prefer Integer_Type to Integer.
For the last 40 years, millions of programmers have read billions or
even trillions of lines of code in which we have a firm convention of
using very simple words like int or Integer for simple predefined types.
Why would anyone want to type extra junk in their program to override
this universal convention?

At the same time, I find it quite reasonable to add a suffix of _Type
in cases which are less familiar and where it helps the reader. For
my view of the dividing line look at the GNAT sources. So for example,
universal integers, which are so pervasive, are called Uint, but
on the other hand, we use Line_Number_Type. I do not see for a moment
that changing Uint to Universal_Integer_Type throughout the GNAT sources
would achieve anything except to make the sources a bit harder to read,
and to increase the size of the tar file!

In its blind use-it-all-the-time mode suggested above, I find the _Type
suffix rule to be similar to the horrible encoding rules that some C
coders use.

P.S. The issue of how much to worry about classification of names like
this quite depends on availabilty of tools. If you have a tool (like
GNAT running under EMACS using GNATF to provide xref information) that
allows you to instantantly locate the defining occurrence of a given
identifier (useful Algol-68 term :-) then the balance shifts in favor
of less encoding.

The trouble is that in choosing a name, we are trying to satisfy two needs
at the same time.

  o  Give maximum help to someone looking at the sources for the first
	time who does not know their way around.

  o  Don't generate too much unnecessary noise for someone who *does* know
        their way around the sources.

Obviously familiarity plays a big role. Every Ada programmer knows the
type name Integer, and therefore changing it to Integer_Type would badly
damage the second objective without helping the first objective.

On the other hand, a less familiar type name may suggest giving more weight
to the first objective.





  parent reply	other threads:[~1997-05-10  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1997-05-05  0:00 assign help!! Ivan Gou
1997-05-06  0:00 ` Michael F Brenner
1997-05-07  0:00   ` Charles H. Sampson
1997-05-08  0:00     ` Warning: Religious naming convention discussion :-) [was: assign help!!] John G. Volan
1997-05-09  0:00       ` Jay Martin
1997-05-09  0:00         ` John G. Volan
1997-05-09  0:00         ` Jeff Carter
1997-05-09  0:00           ` John G. Volan
1997-05-10  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-10  0:00               ` John G. Volan
1997-05-11  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-12  0:00                   ` John G. Volan
1997-05-12  0:00                   ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-13  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-16  0:00                       ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-17  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-13  0:00                     ` John G. Volan
1997-05-11  0:00               ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-11  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-12  0:00                   ` John G. Volan
1997-05-12  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-16  0:00                 ` Wayne Magor
1997-05-16  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-18  0:00                     ` Nick Roberts
1997-05-20  0:00                     ` naming convention discussion Peter Hermann
1997-05-16  0:00                   ` Warning: Religious naming convention discussion :-) [was: assign help!!] John G. Volan
1997-05-14  0:00               ` Ben Brosgol
1997-05-14  0:00                 ` naming convention: trailing underscore Peter Hermann
1997-05-14  0:00                   ` John G. Volan
1997-05-15  0:00                   ` Michael F Brenner
     [not found]                 ` <dewar.863717431@merv>
1997-05-16  0:00                   ` Warning: Religious naming convention discussion :-) [was: assign help!!] Robert A Duff
1997-05-18  0:00                     ` Underscores in identifiers (was: Warning: Religious naming convention discussion :-) Ben Brosgol
1997-05-16  0:00                   ` naming convention discussion Peter Hermann
1997-05-16  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-20  0:00                       ` Peter Hermann
1997-05-17  0:00                   ` Warning: Religious naming convention discussion :-) [was: assign help!!] Arthur Schwarz
1997-05-17  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-17  0:00                       ` John G. Volan
1997-05-18  0:00                         ` Andrew Dunstan
1997-05-18  0:00                           ` Nick Roberts
1997-05-19  0:00                             ` John G. Volan
1997-05-19  0:00                             ` John G. Volan
1997-05-10  0:00             ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-10  0:00               ` John G. Volan
1997-05-10  0:00             ` Aaron Metzger
1997-05-11  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-11  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1997-05-12  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-12  0:00                     ` Robert A Duff
1997-05-12  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-13  0:00                         ` Robert A Duff
1997-05-13  0:00                           ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-14  0:00                             ` Robert A Duff
1997-05-14  0:00                             ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-14  0:00                               ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-13  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-14  0:00                             ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-05-13  0:00                         ` David L Brown
1997-05-13  0:00                           ` W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
1997-05-14  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-11  0:00                 ` John G. Volan
1997-05-12  0:00                 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-11  0:00               ` Simon Wright
1997-05-12  0:00               ` John G. Volan
1997-05-12  0:00             ` Jeff Carter
1997-05-12  0:00               ` John G. Volan
1997-05-12  0:00             ` W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
1997-05-12  0:00               ` John G. Volan
1997-05-13  0:00                 ` W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
1997-05-13  0:00                   ` John G. Volan
1997-05-14  0:00                     ` naming convention discussion Peter Hermann
1997-05-14  0:00                       ` John G. Volan
1997-05-14  0:00                         ` Peter Hermann
1997-05-14  0:00                           ` John G. Volan
1997-05-15  0:00                             ` Peter Hermann
1997-05-15  0:00                           ` W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
1997-05-14  0:00                     ` Warning: Religious naming convention discussion :-) [was: assign help!!] Do-While Jones
1997-05-14  0:00                       ` John G. Volan
1997-05-14  0:00                         ` John G. Volan
1997-05-15  0:00                         ` Tangent to Religious naming convention discussion W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
1997-05-15  0:00                           ` John G. Volan
1997-05-14  0:00                       ` Warning: Religious naming convention discussion :-) [was: assign help!!] Stephen Leake
1997-05-09  0:00           ` John G. Volan
1997-05-10  0:00           ` Robert Dewar [this message]
1997-05-10  0:00             ` John G. Volan
1997-05-11  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-12  0:00                 ` John G. Volan
1997-05-12  0:00               ` W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
1997-05-12  0:00             ` W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
1997-05-12  0:00               ` John G. Volan
1997-05-11  0:00           ` Doug Smith
1997-05-12  0:00           ` Tom Moran
1997-05-16  0:00           ` Wayne Magor
1997-05-16  0:00             ` John G. Volan
1997-05-17  0:00             ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-19  0:00               ` Doug Smith
1997-05-09  0:00       ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-09  0:00         ` John G. Volan
1997-05-12  0:00       ` W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
1997-05-12  0:00         ` John G. Volan
1997-05-12  0:00         ` John G. Volan
1997-05-10  0:00     ` assign help!! Simon Wright
1997-05-14  0:00       ` Nick Roberts
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