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From: dewar@merv.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar)
Subject: Re: AQ&S Guidance on pragma Elaborate_Body
Date: 1997/04/27
Date: 1997-04-27T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <dewar.862141100@merv> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 336089AF.6046@elca-matrix.ch


Mats says

<<...which shows that automatic elaboration order construction is _state
of the art_ (this is further confirmed by other compilers (Verdix, DEC)
I use without a single pragma Elaborate* and without ever getting
Program_Error).

IMO, state of the art belongs in the standard, not in nice compiler
specific features, which would have allowed the standard to take a
different approach: automatic elaboration order consturction with
pragmas to _override_ it, instead of pragmas to do the right thing in
the most basic cases.>>


Please don't generalize from your experience -- this could just mean that
you use elaboration very lightly. Others use it more heavily, and pragma
Elaborate can be critical -- here is an extreme, though real, example.
There is one Ada 83 compiler, written in Ada 83, where the main program
is null, and all the compiler passes are in elaboration code. Pragma
Elaborate is critical for ensuring that the passes of the compiler run
in the right order.

Sure, for the simple case you have DEC and Verdix (and most likely GNAT
as well) run fine, but I can *guarantee* that they are not consistent in
the set of programs that they can successfully handle statically.

We cannot have a statement in the standard that says "Elaboration shall be
automatically handled sufficiently well so that Mats Weber's programs run
without Program_Error", what we need is a very precise charaterization of
the set of programs that are to be considered legal.

Mats, what is this subset that you propose? in detail?





  parent reply	other threads:[~1997-04-27  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1997-04-18  0:00 AQ&S Guidance on pragma Elaborate_Body JP Thornley
1997-04-18  0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-21  0:00   ` Michael F Brenner
1997-04-22  0:00     ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-18  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-19  0:00   ` Michael Paus
1997-04-19  0:00     ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-21  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-23  0:00         ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-23  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-24  0:00             ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-24  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-24  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-25  0:00                   ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-25  0:00                 ` Mats Weber
1997-04-25  0:00                   ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-04-26  0:00                     ` Nick Roberts
1997-04-26  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-28  0:00                         ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-04-29  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-29  0:00                             ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-04-27  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar [this message]
1997-04-28  0:00                     ` Mats Weber
1997-04-29  0:00                     ` Redefinition of "=", elaboration and learning Ada Mats Weber
1997-04-29  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-30  0:00                         ` Mats Weber
1997-04-26  0:00                 ` AQ&S Guidance on pragma Elaborate_Body Nick Roberts
1997-04-26  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-24  0:00           ` Mats Weber
1997-04-24  0:00             ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-24  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-25  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-20  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-21  0:00     ` Michael F Brenner
1997-04-23  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-24  0:00         ` Matthew Heaney
1997-04-24  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-04-24  0:00             ` Matthew Heaney
1997-04-26  0:00               ` Nick Roberts
1997-04-26  0:00                 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-04-26  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-26  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-26  0:00                 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-04-27  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-29  0:00                     ` John G. Volan
1997-04-29  0:00                       ` Matthew Heaney
1997-04-30  0:00                         ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-01  0:00                         ` John G. Volan
1997-05-02  0:00                           ` Booch "forms" and child packages [was: AQ&S Guidance on pragma Elaborate_Body] John G. Volan
1997-05-02  0:00                         ` AQ&S Guidance on pragma Elaborate_Body John G. Volan
1997-04-25  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-24  0:00           ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-24  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-25  0:00           ` Michael F Brenner
1997-04-26  0:00             ` Nick Roberts
1997-04-24  0:00         ` Laurent Guerby
1997-04-20  0:00 ` Doug Smith
1997-04-20  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-21  0:00     ` Matthew Heaney
1997-04-21  0:00       ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-21  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-22  0:00           ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-24  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-21  0:00         ` Matthew Heaney
1997-04-21  0:00           ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-21  0:00           ` Matthew Heaney
1997-04-22  0:00             ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-22  0:00               ` Matthew Heaney
1997-04-22  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-22  0:00                   ` Matthew Heaney
1997-04-23  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-23  0:00                     ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-24  0:00                       ` Matthew Heaney
1997-04-24  0:00                         ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-25  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-24  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-24  0:00                   ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-22  0:00             ` Mats Weber
1997-04-23  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1997-04-30  0:00 W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
1997-04-30  0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
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