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From: dewar@merv.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar)
Subject: Re: Do I Really Need A Supervisor?
Date: 1997/03/19
Date: 1997-03-19T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <dewar.858770459@merv> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87iv2qt1lb.fsf@A-abe.resnet.ucsb.edu


Graham says

<<Strong perhaps.  Numerous probably not.  Otherwise decisions much go
through too many levels and too many ``adjustments''.  Certainly when
your administrative staff outnumbers your programmers, you have a very
big problem.  More generally, when the overseers outnumber the
workers, large problems occur.  Unfortunately, this situation is far
more common than people give credit for.

I believe Parkinson had it right, in _Parkinson's_Law_and_Other_Studies_
_in_Administration_.  Administration grows without bound, and without
regard to the amount of work being done.>>

Well I certainly agree that having too many management types around is
a big problem, but I am not sure that it is the biggest problem. In my
experience, the too-many-people syndrome is most serious at the technical
level. There are lots of projects where 90 low level people are desperately
struggling to do a bad job of implementing a system which 10 really good
people could do in a fraction of the time.

Very often this is the result of a beaurocratic structure which has no
problem in hiring hundreds of people and paying them $50,000, but recoils
in horror at the idea of replacing dozens of such low level people with
one really competent person and paying them what they are worth.

I certainly see this phenomenon at work in negotiating T&M rates with
the government. Very often you are in the position of saying:
if we charge $50 an hour, then we need to do this with low level people,
and the total cost will be $x. If we charge $200 an hour, then we can
do this with competent people and the charge will be $y. But often the
govt will prefer the $50 to the $200, even if $x is way bigger than $y.
Why is this choice made -- well obviously to hold costs down, $200 is
much too much! :-)





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Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1997-03-12  0:00 Do I Really Need A Supervisor? Auntie Alias
1997-03-13  0:00 ` Michael F Brenner
1997-03-13  0:00 ` David Wheeler
1997-03-13  0:00 ` Jay Martin
1997-03-13  0:00   ` Randall Edick
1997-03-14  0:00     ` David Taylor
1997-03-15  0:00       ` Richard Kenner
1997-03-17  0:00         ` Randall Edick
1997-03-17  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-18  0:00             ` Randall Edick
1997-03-18  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-19  0:00                 ` Michael F Brenner
1997-03-19  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-21  0:00                 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-03-22  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-24  0:00                     ` the one and only real true kibo
1997-03-21  0:00             ` John G. Volan
1997-03-22  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-21  0:00             ` John G. Volan
1997-03-21  0:00             ` John G. Volan
1997-03-21  0:00             ` John G. Volan
1997-03-14  0:00   ` John Apa
1997-03-17  0:00   ` Graham C. Hughes
1997-03-19  0:00     ` Robert Dewar [this message]
     [not found]   ` <01bc3276$57fc1800$0902a8c0@alice>
1997-03-18  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-18  0:00       ` Jay Martin
1997-03-18  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-20  0:00   ` Corey Minyard
1997-03-24  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-03-25  0:00     ` L. Darrell Ray
1997-03-27  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-27  0:00         ` Michael Malak
1997-03-27  0:00         ` Larry Kilgallen
1997-03-27  0:00       ` duncan
1997-04-10  0:00         ` BAT0000000
1997-03-28  0:00     ` Laurent Guerby
1997-03-13  0:00 ` Jay Martin
1997-03-13  0:00 ` Mats Weber
1997-03-14  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-03-13  0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-03-13  0:00   ` Samuel Tardieu
1997-03-13  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-13  0:00     ` Robert A Duff
1997-03-13  0:00   ` David Brown
1997-03-13  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-14  0:00       ` Robert A Duff
1997-03-15  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-17  0:00           ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-03-17  0:00             ` antialias
1997-03-18  0:00               ` nasser
1997-03-20  0:00                 ` John Apa
1997-03-19  0:00               ` John Apa
1997-03-19  0:00                 ` antialias
     [not found]               ` <33301E64.110E@delphi.dasd.honeywe <3330BE71.695@earthlink.net>
1997-03-20  0:00                 ` jim hopper
1997-03-20  0:00                   ` Michael F Brenner
1997-03-14  0:00   ` Laurent Guerby
1997-03-14  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-14  0:00 ` Adam Beneschan
1997-03-21  0:00 ` antialias
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