From: dewar@merv.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar)
Subject: Re: The Impossible Project: not so funny... (Was: what's wrong)
Date: 1996/12/20
Date: 1996-12-20T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <dewar.851114842@merv> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 32BACA2C.A4C@dave-world.net
Tim says
"Okay, I'm being silly, but there is nothing a good or even an excellent
developer can do with total uncertainty and ambiguity, especially
when the customer is hostile or unapproachable. If requirements are
not determined, and the users refuse to settle you are likewise in
a position where you probably can't make much success."
Not so silly! Probably the only silly thing was imagining ALL these
things to happen on one project, but I would be willing to bet that
every single one of your imagined horrors is real in some context.
The funny thing is that when someone says "gosh, for a 100 million buckaroos
I could build anything", they are falling into the trap which we are
discussing, namely the assumption that you can buy your way out of
disaster, when in practice money is quite often the means by which
you end up spending yourself into disaster.
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1996-12-03 0:00 What is wrong with OO ? Ahmed
1996-12-03 0:00 ` Bill Gooch
1996-12-03 0:00 ` Bill Gooch
1996-12-04 0:00 ` Ahmed
1996-12-04 0:00 ` Bill Gooch
1996-12-06 0:00 ` Ahmed
1996-12-06 0:00 ` Bill Gooch
1996-12-06 0:00 ` Jeff Miller
1996-12-06 0:00 ` Bill Gooch
1996-12-14 0:00 ` Chris
1996-12-03 0:00 ` Fred Parker
1996-12-04 0:00 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-12-04 0:00 ` Matthew Gream
1996-12-05 0:00 ` Tim Ottinger
1996-12-04 0:00 ` Harry Protoolis
1996-12-04 0:00 ` Joe Winchester
1996-12-05 0:00 ` Russell Corfman
1996-12-04 0:00 ` Robert C. Martin
1996-12-04 0:00 ` Dr. Richard Botting
1996-12-05 0:00 ` Tom Bushell
1996-12-05 0:00 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-12-06 0:00 ` Tom Bushell
1996-12-06 0:00 ` David Bradley
1996-12-08 0:00 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-12-10 0:00 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-12-10 0:00 ` Todd Hoff
1996-12-11 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1996-12-11 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1996-12-11 0:00 ` Matt Kennel
1996-12-12 0:00 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-12-11 0:00 ` Tom Bushell
1996-12-05 0:00 ` Marnix Klooster
1996-12-06 0:00 ` Harry Protoolis
1996-12-10 0:00 ` Tom Bushell
1996-12-06 0:00 ` Mukesh Prasad
1996-12-10 0:00 ` Tom Bushell
1996-12-06 0:00 ` David B. Shapcott [C]
1996-12-06 0:00 ` Carl Weidling
1996-12-06 0:00 ` Roger Vossler
1996-12-10 0:00 ` Tom Bushell
1996-12-10 0:00 ` Roger Vossler
1996-12-12 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1996-12-12 0:00 ` Tom Bushell
1996-12-11 0:00 ` Todd Knarr
1996-12-11 0:00 ` Alan Meyer
1996-12-12 0:00 ` Tom Bushell
1996-12-12 0:00 ` Ell
[not found] ` <58mubr$i <58p5ou$dkm@news3.digex.net>
1996-12-13 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1996-12-25 0:00 ` Weiqi Gao
1996-12-25 0:00 ` Matthew S. Whiting
1996-12-26 0:00 ` Bob Jarvis
1996-12-26 0:00 ` Arthur Gold
1996-12-26 0:00 ` Mike Rubenstein
[not found] ` <32aefdb0..406273038@news.nstn.ca>
1996-12-14 0:00 ` "Paul E. Bennett"
1996-12-05 0:00 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-12-04 0:00 ` Ahmed
1996-12-06 0:00 ` Harry Protoolis
1996-12-06 0:00 ` Ralph Cook
1996-12-07 0:00 ` Harry Protoolis
1996-12-09 0:00 ` Nigel Tzeng
1996-12-12 0:00 ` David Bradley
1996-12-20 0:00 ` Nigel Tzeng
[not found] ` <1996Dec7.151850.877@prim.demon.co.uk>
1996-12-08 0:00 ` Tansel Ersavas
1996-12-14 0:00 ` Kazimir Majorinc
1996-12-14 0:00 ` Tansel Ersavas
1996-12-14 0:00 ` Jeff Miller
1996-12-16 0:00 ` David Bradley
1996-12-15 0:00 ` Todd Hoff
1996-12-15 0:00 ` Tansel Ersavas
1996-12-15 0:00 ` Patrick Ma
1996-12-16 0:00 ` Bob Kettig
1996-12-16 0:00 ` Robert C. Martin
1996-12-20 0:00 ` The Impossible Project: not so funny... (Was: what's wrong) Tim Ottinger
1996-12-20 0:00 ` Robert Dewar [this message]
1996-12-21 0:00 ` John DiCamillo
1996-12-22 0:00 ` Guy Rixon
1996-12-22 0:00 ` Chip Richards
1996-12-04 0:00 ` What is wrong with OO ? Roger T.
1996-12-04 0:00 ` Robert C. Martin
1996-12-05 0:00 ` Daniel Drasin
1996-12-06 0:00 ` David Bradley
1996-12-06 0:00 ` Steve Heller
1996-12-06 0:00 ` Todd Hoff
1996-12-07 0:00 ` Nick Thurn
1996-12-14 0:00 ` Robert C. Martin
1996-12-15 0:00 ` Todd Hoff
1996-12-15 0:00 ` Joseph W. Seda
1996-12-16 0:00 ` David Bradley
1996-12-19 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-12-07 0:00 ` Steve Heller
1996-12-07 0:00 ` Tansel Ersavas
1996-12-09 0:00 ` Kenneth Mays
1996-12-14 0:00 ` Robert C. Martin
1996-12-14 0:00 ` Patrick Ma
1996-12-18 0:00 ` Harry Protoolis
1996-12-18 0:00 ` Patrick Ma
1996-12-18 0:00 ` Caitlin
1996-12-15 0:00 ` Tansel Ersavas
1996-12-17 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-12-18 0:00 ` Tansel Ersavas
1996-12-27 0:00 ` clovis
1996-12-27 0:00 ` Tore Lund
1996-12-28 0:00 ` clovis
1996-12-28 0:00 ` Tore Lund
1996-12-27 0:00 ` Jacqueline U. Robertson
1996-12-27 0:00 ` Tore Lund
1996-12-28 0:00 ` Tansel Ersavas
1996-12-28 0:00 ` Tore Lund
1996-12-31 0:00 ` Adam Beneschan
1996-12-31 0:00 ` clovis
1996-12-31 0:00 ` Tansel Ersavas
1996-12-31 0:00 ` Neville Black
1997-01-01 0:00 ` Tom Bushell
1997-01-10 0:00 ` Bart Samwel
1997-01-10 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-10 0:00 ` Assembler most efficient??? (was Re: What is wrong with OO ?) Richie Bielak
1997-01-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-11 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1997-01-12 0:00 ` Joel VanLaven
1997-01-11 0:00 ` James S. Rogers
1997-01-13 0:00 ` Richie Bielak
1997-01-15 0:00 ` What is wrong with OO ? Richard Kenner
1997-01-11 0:00 ` Randy A. Ynchausti
1997-01-12 0:00 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-12-31 0:00 ` Robert C. Martin
1996-12-29 0:00 ` clovis
1996-12-31 0:00 ` Tom Bushell
1996-12-31 0:00 ` clovis
1997-01-10 0:00 ` Bart Samwel
1996-12-31 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-01 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-12 0:00 ` Corey Minyard
1997-01-14 0:00 ` Vos nom et pr�nom
1997-01-13 0:00 ` Nick Thurn
1996-12-28 0:00 ` clovis
1996-12-30 0:00 ` John (Max) Skaller
1996-12-29 0:00 ` Rosimildo da Silva
1996-12-31 0:00 ` Ian Joyner
1997-01-03 0:00 ` markj
1997-01-03 0:00 ` Natan
1996-12-28 0:00 ` Stephen Pendleton
1996-12-31 0:00 ` Edward de Jong
1996-12-31 0:00 ` clovis
1996-12-31 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-01-01 0:00 ` Tore Lund
1997-01-01 0:00 ` Tore Lund
1996-12-19 0:00 ` Robert C. Martin
1996-12-17 0:00 ` Adam Beneschan
1996-12-17 0:00 ` Tansel Ersavas
1996-12-18 0:00 ` Ralph Cook
1996-12-18 0:00 ` Adam Beneschan
1996-12-19 0:00 ` Robert C. Martin
1996-12-20 0:00 ` Tansel Ersavas
1996-12-21 0:00 ` Michael Malak
1996-12-19 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1996-12-17 0:00 ` Adam Beneschan
1996-12-17 0:00 ` Ralph Cook
1996-12-18 0:00 ` Tansel Ersavas
1996-12-24 0:00 ` Nigel Tzeng
1996-12-26 0:00 ` Tansel Ersavas
1996-12-26 0:00 ` Bill Gooch
1996-12-16 0:00 ` Karen A. Morrissey
1996-12-16 0:00 ` Bob Kettig
1996-12-17 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-12-17 0:00 ` David Bradley
1996-12-09 0:00 ` Todd Hoff
1996-12-10 0:00 ` Snowball queries
1996-12-10 0:00 ` Steve Heller
1996-12-12 0:00 ` Samuel S. Shuster
1996-12-12 0:00 ` Dr. Richard Botting
1996-12-13 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1996-12-16 0:00 ` Samuel S. Shuster
1996-12-16 0:00 ` Bob Kettig
1996-12-16 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-12-17 0:00 ` Tansel Ersavas
1996-12-18 0:00 ` Tom Bushell
1996-12-18 0:00 ` Matt Kennel
1996-12-18 0:00 ` Tansel Ersavas
1996-12-19 0:00 ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1996-12-20 0:00 ` Tom Bushell
1996-12-19 0:00 ` David Bradley
1996-12-20 0:00 ` Chris Brand
[not found] ` <01bbee11$dcae8460$ca61e426@DCorbit.solutionsiq.com>
1996-12-23 0:00 ` David Bradley
1996-12-19 0:00 ` Tom Bushell
1996-12-23 0:00 ` David Bradley
1996-12-23 0:00 ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1996-12-19 0:00 ` Tansel Ersavas
1996-12-27 0:00 ` clovis
1996-12-17 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1996-12-15 0:00 ` Damon Feldman
1996-12-13 0:00 ` drush
1996-12-18 0:00 ` Matt Austern
1996-12-19 0:00 ` Risto Lankinen
1996-12-20 0:00 ` Bill Gooch
1996-12-20 0:00 ` Tansel Ersavas
1996-12-26 0:00 ` What sells IT (was: What is wrong with OO ?) Cameron Laird
1996-12-20 0:00 ` What is wrong with OO ? Tansel Ersavas
1996-12-20 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-12-20 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-12-23 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-12-23 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-12-26 0:00 ` drush
1996-12-26 0:00 ` drush
1996-12-05 0:00 ` Nick Thurn
1996-12-06 0:00 ` Myles Williams
1996-12-06 0:00 ` Ranjan Bagchi
1996-12-06 0:00 ` Myles Williams
1996-12-07 0:00 ` Kazimir Majorinc
1996-12-14 0:00 ` Chris
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