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From: dewar@merv.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar)
Subject: Re: Garbage Collection in Ada
Date: 1996/10/16
Date: 1996-10-16T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <dewar.845506067@merv> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 199610162305033003135@dialup100-4-3.swipnet.se


Lars says

"
With standard sanction the potential problems you and others (optimizer
tricks that might trip off the collector) would also be under control.
If there is GC it is controlled by the same people that control the
optimizer. With sanctioned GC there would be restrictions on what
optimizer tricks would be allowed.
"


No, you are confused, if a language expects GC, and if a proper GC is
incorporated, there is no respect in which the presence of GC inhibits
optimizations. Where did you get this idea?

It is true that a conservative collector depends on assuming the absence of
no optimization, but there is no way that a language definition could
somehow "sanction" a conservative collector.

At best it could say something like "An implementation is free to remove
blocks  from memory that cannot be further referenced", but that does not
say no use of virtual origins.

You can't have something in a language standard that says "the implementation
must work correctly with a conservative collector that works as follows" !

At least I *trust* that no one would suggest such a statement in a language
standard, but really I know better, people suggest all sorts of incredible
things.





  reply	other threads:[~1996-10-16  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 126+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1996-10-13  0:00 Garbage Collection in Ada Jonas Nygren
1996-10-13  0:00 ` Lars Farm
1996-10-13  0:00   ` Larry Kilgallen
1996-10-13  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]     ` <19961014115513529729@dialup105-2-16.swipnet.se>
1996-10-16  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-16  0:00         ` Lars Farm
1996-10-16  0:00           ` Robert Dewar [this message]
1996-10-16  0:00             ` Hans-Juergen Boehm
1996-10-17  0:00               ` Robert A Duff
1996-10-17  0:00                 ` Larry Kilgallen
1996-10-17  0:00                 ` Hans-Juergen Boehm
1996-10-17  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-17  0:00                 ` Hans-Juergen Boehm
1996-10-17  0:00             ` Lars Farm
1996-10-23  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-16  0:00         ` Hans-Juergen Boehm
1996-10-16  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-16  0:00             ` Hans-Juergen Boehm
1996-10-17  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-17  0:00                 ` Hans-Juergen Boehm
1996-10-17  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-14  0:00   ` Robert A Duff
1996-10-14  0:00     ` Lars Farm
1996-10-15  0:00       ` Robert A Duff
1996-10-16  0:00         ` Lars Farm
1996-10-16  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-17  0:00             ` Robert A Duff
1996-10-19  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-19  0:00                 ` Lars Farm
1996-10-20  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-20  0:00                     ` Robert A Duff
1996-10-20  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-21  0:00                     ` Geert Bosch
1996-10-21  0:00                       ` Hans-Juergen Boehm
1996-10-21  0:00                     ` Lars Farm
1996-10-21  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-21  0:00                         ` Lars Farm
1996-10-23  0:00                     ` Fergus Henderson
1996-10-24  0:00                     ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-10-20  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1996-10-20  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-21  0:00                     ` Hans-Juergen Boehm
1996-10-21  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-19  0:00               ` Richard Kenner
1996-10-15  0:00     ` Hans-Juergen Boehm
1996-10-14  0:00   ` John Howard
1996-10-15  0:00     ` Lars Farm
1996-10-15  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-15  0:00         ` Hans-Juergen Boehm
1996-10-15  0:00         ` Lars Farm
1996-10-17  0:00         ` Thomas Kendelbacher
1996-10-17  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-23  0:00         ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-10-23  0:00           ` Larry Kilgallen
1996-10-15  0:00       ` Robert A Duff
1996-10-15  0:00   ` Keith Thompson
1996-10-13  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-14  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-10-15  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-15  0:00 ` Hannes Haug
1996-10-15  0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-10-15  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-16  0:00   ` whiting_ms@corning.com (Matt Whiting)
1996-10-16  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-17  0:00   ` John Howard
1996-10-17  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-18  0:00       ` Lars Farm
1996-10-20  0:00         ` Robert A Duff
1996-10-18  0:00       ` Hans-Juergen Boehm
1996-10-18  0:00       ` Lars Farm
1996-10-19  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-20  0:00           ` Lars Farm
1996-10-21  0:00             ` Nicolay Belofastow
1996-10-21  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-21  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-22  0:00               ` Lars Farm
1996-10-20  0:00         ` Robert A Duff
1996-10-20  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-22  0:00         ` Mitch Gart
1996-10-23  0:00           ` Hans-Juergen Boehm
1996-10-27  0:00             ` Richard Riehle
1996-10-23  0:00           ` Fergus Henderson
1996-10-29  0:00         ` Jon S Anthony
1996-10-30  0:00         ` James Rogers
1996-10-30  0:00         ` Jon S Anthony
1996-10-30  0:00         ` Brian Rogoff
1996-10-30  0:00         ` Jonas Nygren
1996-10-16  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-10-16  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-10-16  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-10-17  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-16  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-10-16  0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1996-10-16  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-17  0:00 ` Hans-Juergen Boehm
1996-10-17  0:00 ` Rick Hudson
1996-10-17  0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-10-17  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-17  0:00     ` Richard Kenner
1996-10-18  0:00 ` Rick Hudson
1996-10-18  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-10-18  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-18  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-10-23  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-21  0:00 ` Laurent Pautet
1996-10-21  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-10-22  0:00 ` Tapani Rundgren
1996-10-22  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-10-23  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-10-24  0:00   ` Mitch Gart
1996-10-24  0:00 ` Hans-Juergen Boehm
1996-10-24  0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-10-25  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-10-28  0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-10-29  0:00 ` Hans-Juergen Boehm
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1996-11-02  0:00 Jon S Anthony
     [not found] <01bbc6a3$4cf03480$829d6482@joy.ericsson.se>
1996-10-31  0:00 ` Mitch Gart
1996-10-31  0:00   ` Jonas Nygren
1996-11-03  0:00   ` Matthew Heaney
1996-11-06  0:00     ` Robert A Duff
1996-11-06  0:00       ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-11-01  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-06  0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1996-11-07  0:00   ` Tucker Taft
1996-10-22  0:00 Brian Rogoff
1996-10-11  0:00 C++ Standardization (was: Once again, Ada absent from DoD SBIR solicitation) Dave Wood
1996-10-17  0:00 ` Garbage Collection in Ada Thomas Kendelbacher
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