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From: dewar@cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar)
Subject: Re: next "big" language?? (disagree)
Date: 1996/06/24
Date: 1996-06-24T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <dewar.835605575@schonberg> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 4ql1fv$5ss@goanna.cs.rmit.EDU.AU

Dale said

"Obviously if there are two concepts, then we should have two names. For
example (in Ada) we could stick with

        pragma Assert(x);

for the traditional "please check this really is the case" assertion
and introduce

        pragma Fact(x);

(or some other name) for the "this really is true, trust me, and make
appropriate optimisations" type assertion. Can anyone think of a better
name (pragma Declare(x) is not available in Ada) than "Fact"?"

Sure this is one approach, but WG9 felt it was over-complex to introduce
multiple concepts here, especially when it is essentially impossible to
come up with non-confusing names (since assert is the obvious name for
all cases).

Note too that the pragma Assert in GNAT, which is equivalent to an if
statement with a raise, is still not what some people want, since of
course the optimizer can and does derive some information from the
presence of the Assert. What some people want is an Assert that is
guaranteed to be semantically non-intrusive -- a rather slippery
concept.

Anyway, in practice I think that the assert of GNAT is as far as it is
reasonable to go. At least the advantage of the GNAT definition is that
its semantics is trivially simple (since it is defined by the equivalent
if/raise sequence).

There just does not seem to be enough consensus to go further, unless you
really go to full annotation, in for example the SPARK style using the
Praxis tools. For this pragma Annotate, as recently recommended by the
HRG to WG9, and as currently implemented in GNAT, can be used.





  reply	other threads:[~1996-06-24  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 100+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <4p0fdd$4ml@news.atlantic.net>
1996-06-04  0:00 ` next "big" language?? (disagree) Peter Hermann
1996-06-04  0:00   ` The Amorphous Mass
1996-06-04  0:00     ` Peter Hermann
1996-06-04  0:00       ` The Amorphous Mass
1996-06-05  0:00         ` Michael David WINIKOFF
1996-06-07  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-04  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-06  0:00       ` Ken Garlington
1996-06-12  0:00       ` Help making ada pretty CSC Trusted Systems Group
1996-06-14  0:00         ` Sandy McPherson
1996-06-19  0:00         ` Ruediger Berlich
1996-06-05  0:00     ` next "big" language?? (disagree) Ian Ward
1996-06-05  0:00       ` The Amorphous Mass
1996-06-08  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-08  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-08  0:00           ` The Amorphous Mass
1996-06-09  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-05  0:00   ` ++           robin
1996-06-05  0:00     ` Ian Ward
1996-06-05  0:00       ` Ian Ward
1996-06-06  0:00         ` Richard Riehle
1996-06-07  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-10  0:00             ` Richard Riehle
1996-06-07  0:00           ` Richard Riehle
1996-06-08  0:00             ` O'Connor
1996-06-11  0:00           ` ++           robin
1996-06-11  0:00             ` James_Rogers
1996-06-11  0:00               ` Kevin J. Weise
1996-06-11  0:00             ` David Weller
1996-06-11  0:00             ` Chris Warack <sys mgr>
1996-06-11  0:00         ` ++           robin
1996-06-11  0:00           ` Ian Ward
1996-06-12  0:00             ` ++           robin
1996-06-12  0:00               ` Ian Ward
1996-06-11  0:00       ` Jon S Anthony
     [not found]   ` <4p60nk$imd@euas20.eua.ericsson.se>
     [not found]     ` <4p8lmq$oq7@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au>
1996-06-11  0:00       ` ++           robin
1996-06-11  0:00         ` A. Grant
1996-06-12  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-17  0:00             ` A. Grant
1996-06-18  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-24  0:00                 ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-06-26  0:00                   ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-06-19  0:00             ` Jon S Anthony
1996-06-20  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-24  0:00                 ` Keith Thompson
1996-06-25  0:00                   ` Robert A Duff
1996-06-25  0:00                   ` Simon Read
1996-06-24  0:00                 ` Dale Stanbrough
1996-06-24  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar [this message]
1996-06-24  0:00                   ` Adam Beneschan
1996-06-24  0:00                   ` Assertions (was: Re: next "big" language?? (disagree)) Robert A Duff
1996-06-24  0:00                     ` Assertions (a different intent?) Gary McKee
1996-06-24  0:00                     ` Assertions (was: Re: next "big" language?? (disagree)) Robert Dewar
1996-06-25  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
1996-06-28  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]                     ` <4qrljg$15l8@watnews1.watson.ibm.com>
1996-06-28  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-24  0:00                   ` next "big" language?? (disagree) hopkinc
1996-06-24  0:00                   ` Lars Duening
1996-06-26  0:00                   ` Marc C. Brooks
1996-06-26  0:00                   ` Marc C. Brooks
     [not found]                   ` <4qsbm7$r1s@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM>
1996-06-28  0:00                     ` "Assert"? "Assume"? (was: next "big" language?? (disagree)) Alexander Bunkenburg
1996-06-28  0:00                       ` Ian Collier
1996-07-01  0:00                     ` Cameron Laird
1996-06-24  0:00                 ` next "big" language?? (disagree) Adam Beneschan
1996-06-25  0:00                 ` Darin Johnson
1996-06-26  0:00                   ` Dale Stanbrough
1996-06-26  0:00                   ` A. Grant
1996-06-25  0:00                 ` Brian Nettleton @pulsar
1996-06-26  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-28  0:00                     ` Fergus Henderson
1996-06-28  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-30  0:00                         ` Fergus Henderson
1996-06-30  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-12  0:00           ` ++           robin
1996-06-12  0:00             ` A. Grant
1996-06-14  0:00               ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-06-12  0:00         ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-06-12  0:00           ` ++           robin
1996-06-12  0:00             ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-06-13  0:00               ` ++           robin
1996-06-13  0:00               ` ++           robin
1996-06-12  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-06-14  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-06-15  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-06-18  0:00     ` Adam Beneschan
1996-06-18  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-06-28  0:00     ` Assertions (an heretic view) Michel Gauthier
1996-06-28  0:00       ` Robert A Duff
1996-06-28  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-06  0:00 ` next "big" language?? (disagree) Dale Pontius
1996-06-11  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-06-12  0:00 ` Help making ada pretty Pedro de las Heras
1996-06-18  0:00 ` next "big" language?? (disagree) ++           robin
1996-06-07  0:00 Ian Ward
1996-06-08  0:00 ` O'Connor
1996-06-10  0:00   ` Matt Kennel
1996-06-11  0:00     ` Robb Nebbe
1996-06-11  0:00     ` Ian Ward
1996-06-12  0:00       ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-06-09  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
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