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From: Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201205.rodent.frell.theremailer.net>
Subject: Re: Companies Only Offering Ada-95 Compilers
Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 14:16:19 +0200
Date: 2012-05-23T14:16:19+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ddec48000c545cbf6325ac41e88e5305@msgid.frell.theremailer.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: op.weqg7aw0ule2fv@douda-yannick

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Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57
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 <yannick_duchene@yahoo.fr> wrote:

> opinions and others. I don't believe the runtime libraries will ever  
> become pure GPL, because as much they would like, if they could, make  
> every thing pure GPL, *they are as much aware they can't* and aware doing  
> so will be counterproductive for the FSF lobbying, as making runtime  
> libraries pure GPL, would prevent many people from using it at all.

I explained how this will work. Right now everyone realizes Linux is the
major focus of FSF because Linux kernel is GPL, Linux people love GPL,
etc. Autotools is supposed to work cross platform but it's mostly for Linux.

The BSD groups (Open, Free, Net, DragonFly) don't like GPL and they are
moving at different rates to clang/LLVM and other ways of reducing
dependence on gnu toolchain and other GPL code and have very little GPL
compared to Linux.

What I think is going to happen is as everybody who doesn't like GPL moves
off GPL-anything, the people who like GPL (Linux developers and users) will
not be upset at all, indeed they will be very happy, to see all their
libraries GPLd. So no, FSF can't go GPL libraries today, but things are
moving in the right direction (for everybody, really) so sooner or later
only Linux code will be GPL, including all the libraries, and BSD and other
projects will have virtually no GPL code. Then there will be no war and
nobody upset when FSF GPLs all the libraries.

> May be you are less spreading FUD (which is always too bad to say to  
> someone) than doing unprobable extrapolations, for some reasons you are  
> the only one to know.

I've been right about stuff like this before and I think the extrapolations
are reasonable conclusions based on actual trends. Having a major project
like FreeBSD openly state their goal to get off gcc and move to clang/LLVM
is something that will have far reaching effects. Right now it is possible
to compile ALL of FreeBSD with clang. This shows people there is no reason
to be serfs to Stallman or enslaved by GPL, or FSF, etc. That's REAL
freedom!





  reply	other threads:[~2012-05-23 12:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-05-17  1:25 Companies Only Offering Ada-95 Compilers Jeffrey Carter
2012-05-18  4:17 ` Randy Brukardt
2012-05-18  6:27   ` Jeffrey Carter
2012-05-18 11:11     ` Lucretia
2012-05-18 12:05       ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2012-05-20  8:12         ` Nomen Nescio
2012-05-20  9:15           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-05-20 10:56           ` Simon Wright
2012-05-24 17:56             ` Simon Wright
2012-05-24 21:58               ` Nomen Nescio
2012-05-20 11:30           ` Simon Clubley
2012-05-21  2:24             ` Britt
2012-05-21 12:12               ` Simon Clubley
2012-05-22 12:01             ` Stephen Leake
2012-05-22 23:25               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-05-24  1:12                 ` Stephen Leake
2012-05-22 16:43             ` Nomen Nescio
2012-05-22 23:36               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-05-23 12:16                 ` Fritz Wuehler [this message]
2012-05-25 11:58                   ` Simon Clubley
2012-05-23  1:00               ` Britt
2012-05-24  7:57                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-05-23 21:44               ` Shark8
2012-05-24  1:14               ` Stephen Leake
2012-05-18 11:57     ` Martin
2012-05-18 13:40     ` Robert A Duff
2012-05-18 18:53       ` Shark8
2012-05-18 22:52         ` Robert A Duff
2012-05-18 23:03           ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2012-05-18 19:13       ` Jeffrey Carter
2012-05-18 19:43         ` Mike Silva
2012-05-18 20:02           ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2012-05-18 20:35             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-05-18 20:52               ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2012-05-18 21:07                 ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2012-05-18 21:15                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-05-19 15:16                   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-05-21 15:46                 ` NatarovVI
2012-05-19  1:36               ` Shark8
2012-05-19  2:02                 ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2012-05-19 15:32                   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-05-19  5:07                 ` tmoran
2012-05-19  6:28                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-05-19 15:23                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-05-19 13:44             ` Marco
2012-05-21 15:36             ` NatarovVI
2012-06-21 11:28 ` Nicholas Paul Collin Gloucester
2012-06-21 12:05   ` Nicholas Paul Collin Gloucester
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