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From: "Mark Lundquist" <no.spam@getalife.com>
Subject: Re: Future with Ada
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 08:15:05 GMT
Date: 2001-12-17T08:15:05+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <dQhT7.12787$X94.520037@rwcrnsc52> (raw)
In-Reply-To: ESsS7.2213$Le3.1716485294@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com


"Pat Rogers" <progers@classwide.com> wrote in message
news:ESsS7.2213$Le3.1716485294@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
>[snip...]
> I wish I could agree -- it's fun to design things -- but I don't think it
> will get there.  We'll spend too much time discussing and debating
low-level
> details.

I suppose I would take a position that the details are important, and that
some time should be spent debating them.

A cynic would say that those discussions are doomed to go around endlessly
in circles.  But I don't think that has to happen, and by and large I don't
think that has been the case in the discussions surrounding Ted's
"strawman"...

>  That's why I started this thread by proposing one of the existing
> implementations:  I believe we should pick one and run with it.  Sure,
let's
> discuss the characteristics of the overall library -- I would suggest
> Bertrand Meyer's criteria in his book describing Eiffel's library:
"Reusable
> Software: The Base Object-Oriented Component Libraries" -- but then let's
go
> with it.

If you "just pick one", then it's a foregone conclusion... what's the point
of discussing it (except to thoroughly understand the limitations of the
thing that has been chosen?)  Or if the aim of the discussion is to pick
which library to recommend, then would you not expect the discussion to have
the same character as in the "from scratch" approach -- that is, debating
the details?

-- mark






  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-12-17  8:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 264+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-11-09 17:59 Future with Ada Michal Nowak
2001-11-10  0:44 ` Adrian Hoe
2001-11-10 13:28 ` Frode Tennebø
2001-11-10 23:09   ` Michal Nowak
2001-11-11 15:10     ` Preben Randhol
2001-11-11 22:31       ` Michal Nowak
2001-11-10 17:31 ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-10 23:09   ` Michal Nowak
2001-11-25  9:50   ` ben
2001-11-26 15:21     ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-26 19:48       ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-11-26 20:59         ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-26 23:33           ` Jerry Petrey
2001-11-27 14:24             ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-26 22:56         ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-01 18:43     ` Richard Riehle
2001-12-01 21:29       ` Suzie Cube
2001-12-10 16:25         ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-10 17:03           ` Larry Hazel
2001-12-10 17:19             ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-10 17:34               ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-10 18:10                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-12-10 18:25                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-02  0:19       ` IsraelRT
2001-12-02  0:46       ` Brian Rogoff
2001-12-02 19:58         ` Richard Riehle
2001-12-03 17:25           ` Wes Groleau
2001-12-10 16:39             ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-10 20:30               ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-12-11 15:15                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-11 16:56                   ` Darren New
2001-12-11 17:14                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-12  1:47                       ` Richard Riehle
2001-12-12  2:47                         ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-12-12  6:38                           ` Mark Biggar
2001-12-12 10:53                             ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-12-12 14:35                               ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-12 17:45                                 ` Peter Hend�n
2001-12-12 19:35                                 ` Mark Lundquist
2001-12-12 20:55                                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-16 13:34                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-12-12 14:55                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-12 18:02                           ` tmoran
2001-12-22 19:58                           ` Gerhard Häring
2001-12-28 21:12                             ` Containers package Eric Merritt
2001-12-29 14:11                               ` Michael Erdmann
2001-12-29 23:03                                 ` Eric Merritt
2001-12-31  2:58                                   ` Nick Roberts
2001-12-31 15:09                                     ` Eric Merritt
2001-12-31 23:19                                       ` Containers package (Tenet) Nick Roberts
2002-01-01  5:45                                     ` Containers package Ted Dennison
2002-01-01 23:30                                       ` Nick Roberts
2002-01-02  0:26                                         ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-29 22:13                               ` Marc A. Criley
2001-12-12 21:49                       ` Future with Ada Darren New
2001-12-14 20:22                         ` Mark Lundquist
2001-12-11 20:36                     ` XML and Ada was " Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-12-12  8:33                   ` rob
2001-12-12 15:03                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-16 13:48                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-12-16 16:17                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-12-16 16:21                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-12-17 15:10                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-17 22:32                           ` Ian S. Nelson
2001-12-17 23:11                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-18 15:49                             ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-12-18 16:41                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-19 16:33                                 ` Mr. Caffiene
2001-12-19 17:57                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-19 21:07                                     ` Ian S. Nelson
2001-12-19 21:20                                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-19 18:36                                   ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-12-19 19:49                                     ` tmoran
2001-12-19 20:16                                       ` Eric Merritt
2001-12-19 21:11                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-21 14:15                                           ` Eric Merritt
2001-12-20 19:50                                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-20 21:37                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2001-12-21 15:42                                           ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-19 20:37                                     ` Ian S. Nelson
2001-12-19 23:36                                   ` Michal Nowak
2001-12-19 23:36                                 ` Michal Nowak
2002-01-21 22:28                                   ` Harri J Haataja
2001-12-18 12:56                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-12-12 17:03                     ` Ian S. Nelson
2001-12-13 17:43                     ` Mark Lundquist
2001-12-13 20:13                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-14 19:49                         ` Mark Lundquist
2001-12-14 19:59                           ` Pat Rogers
2001-12-14 21:00                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-14 23:02                               ` Pat Rogers
2001-12-17  8:15                                 ` Mark Lundquist
2001-12-17 15:27                                   ` Pat Rogers
2001-12-17 16:29                                     ` Brian Rogoff
2001-12-17 17:05                                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-17 15:43                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-17  8:15                               ` Mark Lundquist
2001-12-17 16:03                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-17  8:15                             ` Mark Lundquist [this message]
2001-12-14 20:31                           ` James Rogers
2001-12-15  1:33                             ` Richard Riehle
2001-12-15 16:35                               ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-12-16 14:09                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-12-16 15:32                                 ` Eric Merritt
2001-12-17 16:31                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-15  2:44                             ` Eric Merritt
2001-12-14 20:39                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-18 23:01                             ` Mark Lundquist
2001-12-19 15:00                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-20  7:23                                 ` tmoran
2001-12-20 22:30                                 ` tmoran
2001-12-20 22:43                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-19 20:50                               ` Wes Groleau
2001-12-19  0:12                             ` Portable GUI (was Re: Future with Ada) Mark Lundquist
2001-12-19  7:36                               ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-12-20  5:00                                 ` Steve Doiel
2001-12-20  6:19                                   ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-12-20 14:33                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-20 20:53                                 ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-20 21:14                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-21 14:53                                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-21 15:08                                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-21 16:40                                         ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-21 16:26                                   ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-12-19 15:07                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-19 15:14                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-19 16:53                               ` Darren New
2001-12-19 17:50                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-20 19:37                                   ` Richard Riehle
2001-12-20 20:05                                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-20 20:07                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-20 20:28                                     ` Stephen Leake
2001-12-21 17:18                                       ` Richard Riehle
2001-12-22 18:16                                     ` Michal Nowak
2001-12-02 20:26         ` Future with Ada Michal Nowak
2001-12-02 19:55       ` Michal Nowak
2001-12-03 14:53         ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-07 16:54         ` Richard Riehle
2001-12-07 17:14           ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-09 10:56           ` Thomas Mueller
2001-12-09 13:57             ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
2001-12-11 17:45           ` Michal Nowak
2001-12-03 14:52       ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-12 21:56       ` John Kern
2002-02-26  2:22       ` Michael Card
2002-02-26  4:12         ` Jim Rogers
2002-02-27  1:23           ` Adrian Hoe
2002-02-27 17:51           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-02-28 17:00             ` Richard Riehle
2002-02-28 21:24               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-02-28 17:45             ` Michal Nowak
2002-02-28 18:53               ` Hyman Rosen
2002-02-28 19:24                 ` Ed Falis
2002-03-01  0:52                   ` Adrian Hoe
2002-03-01 18:11                     ` Pascal Obry
2002-03-02  1:20                       ` Adrian Hoe
2002-02-28 21:43                 ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-01  5:18                 ` Richard Riehle
2002-03-01  5:23                   ` Dave Poirier
2002-03-01 16:45                   ` Michal Nowak
2002-03-01 11:10                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-03-03  8:28                   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-05 18:40                   ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2002-03-01 16:48                 ` Michal Nowak
2002-03-01 17:26                 ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-03-03  8:26                   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-03 13:28                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-03-03 17:47                     ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-03-04 16:30                       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-04 19:28                         ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-03-05 17:03                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-03-05  1:41                         ` Richard Riehle
2002-03-05 21:35                           ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-05 22:04                             ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-06  8:33                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-03-06 11:46                               ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-03-06 15:03                                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-07 16:08                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-03-07 16:25                                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-09 14:51                                   ` Gary Scott
2002-03-09 15:13                                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-09 15:54                                     ` named control statements (was: Future with Ada) Wes Groleau
2002-03-09 16:40                                       ` Gary Scott
2002-03-09 20:53                                       ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-03-06 16:36                               ` Future with Ada Georg Bauhaus
2002-03-06 17:27                                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-07 16:04                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-03-07 16:42                                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-11 13:52                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-03-11 20:02                                       ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-11 23:56                                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-12 16:47                                           ` code partitioning (was: Future with Ada) Wes Groleau
2002-03-12 17:56                                             ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-13 13:42                                               ` labeling (was: partitioning (was: Future)) Wes Groleau
2002-03-14 12:46                                                 ` Michal Nowak
2002-03-14 17:27                                                   ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-14 20:27                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-15  8:00                                                 ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2002-03-15 15:10                                                   ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-14 15:27                                               ` code partitioning (was: Future with Ada) John R. Strohm
2002-03-15 14:15                                                 ` Ted Dennison
2002-03-16 10:37                                                   ` Kevin Cline
2002-03-13 12:26                                           ` Future with Ada John English
2002-03-13 14:15                                             ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-14  3:34                                               ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-14 15:36                                                 ` John R. Strohm
2002-03-14 17:43                                                   ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-14 11:59                                               ` John English
2002-03-13 15:16                                           ` Kevin Cline
2002-03-13 17:55                                             ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-14 15:21                                           ` John R. Strohm
2002-03-07 20:52                                   ` Kevin Cline
2002-03-07 22:12                                     ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-03-11 18:43                                       ` Kevin Cline
2002-03-11 22:53                                         ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-03-06 17:07                               ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-05  3:45                         ` Brian Rogoff
2002-03-04  1:45                     ` Eric Merritt
2002-03-04  6:03                       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-04 13:44                         ` Eric Merritt
2002-03-04 16:01                           ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-04 18:14                             ` Eric Merritt
2002-03-04 16:46                           ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2002-03-04 17:08                             ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-04 18:15                             ` Eric Merritt
2002-03-05 16:54                             ` Pascal Obry
2002-03-05 17:26                               ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2002-03-04 20:06                     ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-02-27  1:30         ` Adrian Hoe
2002-02-27 20:09         ` Ken Pinard
2002-03-09 20:19         ` Richard Riehle
2001-11-11 20:13 ` Ehud Lamm
2001-11-11 22:32   ` Michal Nowak
2001-11-13 21:43     ` Maciej Sobczak
2001-11-14 16:26       ` Don
2001-11-14 19:32       ` Mark Lundquist
2001-11-14 19:46         ` David C. Hoos
2001-11-15  0:02           ` Mark Lundquist
2001-11-24 23:21           ` Florian Weimer
2001-11-14 21:22         ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-14 21:50       ` Michal Nowak
2001-11-15  7:39         ` Preben Randhol
2001-11-15 14:59           ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-15 15:44             ` Preben Randhol
2001-11-15 16:00         ` John English
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-03-06  6:05 Christoph Grein
2002-03-06  9:24 ` Pascal Obry
2002-03-06 16:43   ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-03-06 15:05 ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-07 13:51   ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-06  7:14 Christoph Grein
2002-03-06  8:43 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-03-07  7:49 Christoph Grein
2002-03-07 14:06 ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-08  7:24 Christoph Grein
2002-03-08 13:58 ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-03-08 16:08 ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-11 12:39   ` John English
2002-03-08 16:34 ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-03-08 19:41   ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-09  1:21     ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-03-11  5:37 Christoph Grein
2002-03-11 13:28 ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-03-11 12:56 Christoph Grein
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