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From: stevenwurster@lycos.com (Steven Wurster)
Subject: Re: OOP Language for OS Development
Date: 24 Apr 2004 18:25:38 -0700
Date: 2004-04-24T18:25:38-07:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d853834.0404241725.2cb5b99d@posting.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: cnok80hcftjhc71pifh1r2pruaemjp135m@4ax.com

Robert C. Martin <unclebob@objectmentor.com> wrote in message news:<cnok80hcftjhc71pifh1r2pruaemjp135m@4ax.com>...
> 
> It's an LSP violation.  Code written to deal with base classes can be
> broken by new derivatives that can't accept the arguments that the
> base can.  This makes it hard to follow the Open Closed Principle
> which says that you should try to make modules extensible without
> having to change them.  
> 

Remember that it's not required for a descendant class to covariantly
redefine arguments in Eiffel.  It is an option, however.  And, yes,
doing it can lead to problems.  In fact, we have a name for it in
Eiffel.  It's called a CATcall, where CAT stands Changing Availability
or Type.  That is, where a descendant routine either changes its
availability (i.e. becomes less visible) or its argument types.  The
Eiffel community knows about this, and knows how to deal with it. 
And, no, a compiler cannot reasonably detect where CATcalls lead to
LSP violations.

But, I'd rather use Eiffel with that 'hole' than languages that have
less power and less support for the OCP, among their other faults.

Steve



  reply	other threads:[~2004-04-25  1:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-04-15  5:53 OOP Language for OS Development KingIshu
2004-04-15  8:02 ` Martin Krischik
2004-04-15 12:25 ` Ioannis Vranos
2004-04-15 12:49   ` Ioannis Vranos
2004-04-15 12:39 ` Thomas Gagné
2004-04-15 14:32 ` jeffc
2004-04-15 14:45 ` Luke Guest
2004-04-17 16:30 ` Ender Everett
2004-04-19  1:53 ` EventHelix.com
2004-04-19  7:25   ` Martin Krischik
2004-04-19  8:35   ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-04-19  9:16     ` Ioannis Vranos
2004-04-19 11:15       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-04-19 11:32       ` Martin Krischik
2004-04-19 17:36       ` Christopher Benson-Manica
2004-04-19 11:09   ` Philippe Ribet
2004-04-22  7:34     ` Calum
2004-04-22 10:48       ` John English
2004-04-23  8:36       ` Philippe Ribet
2004-04-23  9:55         ` Calum
2004-04-23 14:30           ` Steven Wurster
2004-04-23 15:04             ` Hyman Rosen
2004-04-23 22:08               ` Brian_Heilig
2004-04-23 22:33                 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-04-24 12:53                   ` Robert C. Martin
2004-04-25  1:25                     ` Steven Wurster [this message]
2004-04-25 12:30                       ` Robert C. Martin
2004-04-24 19:58                   ` Anthony Weissenberger
2004-04-25  2:24                     ` Hyman Rosen
2004-04-24  0:01               ` Steven Wurster
2004-04-24 15:27             ` JKop
2004-04-24 21:41               ` Greg C
2004-04-24 22:17               ` Steven Wurster
2004-04-29 17:43               ` Brian_Heilig
2004-04-23 16:22           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-23 16:45             ` Hyman Rosen
2004-04-23 20:13               ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-23 21:18                 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-04-24 10:33                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-25  2:27                     ` Hyman Rosen
2004-04-23 23:03               ` Brian_Heilig
2004-04-25  2:42                 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-05-04 18:37                   ` Dr Chaos
2004-05-05 11:58                   ` Ged
2004-05-05 12:28                     ` Thomas Gagné
2004-05-06  9:35                       ` Ged
2004-04-24  0:10               ` Steven Wurster
2004-04-25  2:37                 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-04-24  1:00 ` Brian_Heilig
2004-04-26  3:43   ` Berend de Boer
2004-04-26  4:17     ` Christopher Browne
2004-04-26 21:52       ` Berend de Boer
2004-05-04  4:14     ` Richard  Riehle
2004-05-04 21:15       ` Berend de Boer
2004-04-28 19:53   ` Philippe Ribet
2004-04-29  8:32     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-30 17:48       ` Philippe Ribet
2004-04-29 17:39     ` Brian_Heilig
     [not found]       ` <1402879.WneVss6BD6@linux1.krischik.com>
     [not found]         ` <ba03b545.0404300503.376243c8@posting.google.com>
     [not found]           ` <c6tk6v$amm$1@news.BelWue.DE>
2004-04-30 13:46             ` Preben Randhol
2004-04-30 19:30             ` Steven Wurster
2004-04-24 22:09 ` Thomas Gagné
2004-04-25  2:17   ` Hyman Rosen
2004-04-25 16:31     ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-25 16:58     ` Isaac Gouy
2004-04-26  0:01       ` Cesar Rabak
2004-04-26  6:14         ` Isaac Gouy
2004-04-26  2:06       ` Thomas Gagné
2004-04-25 16:29   ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-26  4:17   ` Christopher Browne
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