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From: stevenwurster@lycos.com (Steven Wurster)
Subject: Re: OOP Language for OS Development
Date: 23 Apr 2004 17:10:21 -0700
Date: 2004-04-23T17:10:21-07:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d853834.0404231610.240e5b52@posting.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1082738747.300309@master.nyc.kbcfp.com

Hyman Rosen <hyrosen@mail.com> wrote in message news:<1082738747.300309@master.nyc.kbcfp.com>...
> 
> It appears from my looking up what once functions do,
> that arguments to the call are irrelevant for determining
> whether it should be re-executed. If so, that's another
> example of a hideous language design choice made by Eiffel.

Explain why.  Don't just say it's 'hideous' without giving rationale.


> Speaking of hideous design decisions. This whole concept
> of classes having fine-grained dictatorial control over
> whom they allow access to their innards is more than a
> little silly.

Why?  You need to provide your reason for your opinion.  Selective
exporting is way ahead of the public/protected/private of C++ and
Java.  A good example is the visitor design pattern, in which the
visit routines should only be available to the accepting classes. 
This is easily done using selective exports in Eiffel.  But in C++ one
must either make the routines public, which violates encapsulation, or
make *every* accepting class a friend, which violates information
hiding and requires a lot of programmer bookkeeping.

Steve



  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-04-24  0:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-04-15  5:53 OOP Language for OS Development KingIshu
2004-04-15  8:02 ` Martin Krischik
2004-04-15 12:25 ` Ioannis Vranos
2004-04-15 12:49   ` Ioannis Vranos
2004-04-15 12:39 ` Thomas Gagné
2004-04-15 14:32 ` jeffc
2004-04-15 14:45 ` Luke Guest
2004-04-17 16:30 ` Ender Everett
2004-04-19  1:53 ` EventHelix.com
2004-04-19  7:25   ` Martin Krischik
2004-04-19  8:35   ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-04-19  9:16     ` Ioannis Vranos
2004-04-19 11:15       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-04-19 11:32       ` Martin Krischik
2004-04-19 17:36       ` Christopher Benson-Manica
2004-04-19 11:09   ` Philippe Ribet
2004-04-22  7:34     ` Calum
2004-04-22 10:48       ` John English
2004-04-23  8:36       ` Philippe Ribet
2004-04-23  9:55         ` Calum
2004-04-23 14:30           ` Steven Wurster
2004-04-23 15:04             ` Hyman Rosen
2004-04-23 22:08               ` Brian_Heilig
2004-04-23 22:33                 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-04-24 12:53                   ` Robert C. Martin
2004-04-25  1:25                     ` Steven Wurster
2004-04-25 12:30                       ` Robert C. Martin
2004-04-24 19:58                   ` Anthony Weissenberger
2004-04-25  2:24                     ` Hyman Rosen
2004-04-24  0:01               ` Steven Wurster
2004-04-24 15:27             ` JKop
2004-04-24 21:41               ` Greg C
2004-04-24 22:17               ` Steven Wurster
2004-04-29 17:43               ` Brian_Heilig
2004-04-23 16:22           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-23 16:45             ` Hyman Rosen
2004-04-23 20:13               ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-23 21:18                 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-04-24 10:33                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-25  2:27                     ` Hyman Rosen
2004-04-23 23:03               ` Brian_Heilig
2004-04-25  2:42                 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-05-04 18:37                   ` Dr Chaos
2004-05-05 11:58                   ` Ged
2004-05-05 12:28                     ` Thomas Gagné
2004-05-06  9:35                       ` Ged
2004-04-24  0:10               ` Steven Wurster [this message]
2004-04-25  2:37                 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-04-24  1:00 ` Brian_Heilig
2004-04-26  3:43   ` Berend de Boer
2004-04-26  4:17     ` Christopher Browne
2004-04-26 21:52       ` Berend de Boer
2004-05-04  4:14     ` Richard  Riehle
2004-05-04 21:15       ` Berend de Boer
2004-04-28 19:53   ` Philippe Ribet
2004-04-29  8:32     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-30 17:48       ` Philippe Ribet
2004-04-29 17:39     ` Brian_Heilig
     [not found]       ` <1402879.WneVss6BD6@linux1.krischik.com>
     [not found]         ` <ba03b545.0404300503.376243c8@posting.google.com>
     [not found]           ` <c6tk6v$amm$1@news.BelWue.DE>
2004-04-30 13:46             ` Preben Randhol
2004-04-30 19:30             ` Steven Wurster
2004-04-24 22:09 ` Thomas Gagné
2004-04-25  2:17   ` Hyman Rosen
2004-04-25 16:31     ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-25 16:58     ` Isaac Gouy
2004-04-26  0:01       ` Cesar Rabak
2004-04-26  6:14         ` Isaac Gouy
2004-04-26  2:06       ` Thomas Gagné
2004-04-25 16:29   ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-26  4:17   ` Christopher Browne
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