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From: darkestkhan <darkestkhan@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Fuzzy machine learning framework v1.2
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 06:59:43 -0700 (PDT)
Date: 2012-06-02T06:59:43-07:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d7436b43-7ede-4b7c-b0bd-e42f35ffe118@googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <op.we9txirdule2fv@douda-yannick>

On Saturday, June 2, 2012 10:25:56 AM UTC, Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne) wrote:
> Le Sat, 02 Jun 2012 10:06:23 +0200, Simon Wright <simon@pushface.org> a  
> écrit:
> > Is there evidence for "the doubt about the GPL is increasing"?
> 
> Well, “increasing” may be misleading as it does not explicitly express an  
> amount by which. I should have said “visibly increasing” (enough to be  
> visible). I have a web connection at home since about 2005, and at that  
> time, there was near to no visible opposition to the GPL which was  
> glorified every where. Questioning seems more frequent to me since some  
> time (two or three years?). Some big enough examples I have in mind, is an  
> affair with WordPress themes designers [?], who suddenly was [?] forced to release
> their works under the GPL, after multiple years selling their works under  
> another license (someone lately noticed a trick implying they now had to  
> release their work under GPL). This case made some noise, as this themes  
> author made a living from it.

So? He broke license in the first place so he should be publishing his work under GPL. On the other hand I don't see how he can't make living selling GPL'd themes - after all he isn't required to give them for free nor is he required to give sources to everyone [in fact he has to give them only to buyers]. And don't say that people would be sharing his work with everyone - after all GNAT Pro also is under GPL and we don't see many people sharing it.

> Another one, is Aqsis (a RenderMan  
> processor), which migrated its license from GPL to BSD (the author said if  
> contributors don't agree, then their contributions will simply be removed  
>  from Aqsis). 

So? There is also Apache and OpenOffice...  I don't see how is it relevant.
[on the other hand you have Altran Praxis and Spark]

> There was a story about Perle and a dual licensing said to be  
> “the Perle way to undermine the GPL virus”. 
> If you search the web for “GPL  
> is not free”, you will get a reasonable amount of results for that exact  
> sentence. From time to time, I see some other kinds of questioning,  
> sometime dealing with commercial activities (in fact impossible, and the  
> contradiction with what the FSF says leave people with a bad feeling),  
> sometime about whither or not the GPL really protects authors theft  
> (project hijacking and the like), and others. Either this was not their 5  
> to 6 years ago, or else I've missed it at that time, just to say I feel to  
> see more now than before.
> 

Oh, it was - after searching for "gpl is not free" what I get in most search results is mostly from 2003 - 2008 : with many of it from Skype [they breached OpenMoko's license] and SCO [which was saying that GPL is unconstitutional].
It is comming back now because Apple is [and Microsoft is trying to] prohibiting sales of GPL licensed software in Apple Store.

> To not talk also about miss-interpretations, when some people choose to  
> release under the GPL because they believe the GPL is “this and that”, and  
> is not, which is source of confusion, and confusion leads to  
> recriminations too.
> 

If they release something about license they misinterpreted it is their sole responsibility. But if they are the sole proprietors of work then they can relicense.



  reply	other threads:[~2012-06-02 14:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-05-28 10:08 ANN: Fuzzy machine learning framework v1.2 Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-05-28 11:36 ` J-P. Rosen
2012-05-28 11:51   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-05-28 14:56     ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-05-28 18:19       ` Nomen Nescio
2012-05-28 17:55     ` ANN: " Simon Wright
2012-05-28 20:07       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-05-28 19:23     ` Ludovic Brenta
2012-05-28 20:08       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-05-28 21:05         ` Ludovic Brenta
2012-05-29  2:30       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-05-29  7:21         ` Simon Wright
2012-05-29  1:44     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-05-28 13:42   ` Kulin
2012-05-28 14:56     ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-05-28 18:34       ` Nomen Nescio
2012-05-28 19:13         ` Simon Wright
2012-05-28 19:20         ` Ludovic Brenta
2012-05-29  2:18           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-05-29  9:38             ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-05-29 16:11               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-05-29 16:57                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-05-29 17:39                   ` georg bauhaus
2012-05-29 22:45                   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-05-31  0:28                 ` BrianG
2012-05-29 21:35               ` Nomen Nescio
2012-05-30 18:21                 ` Zhu Qun-Ying
2012-05-30 20:46                   ` Nomen Nescio
2012-05-30 22:14                     ` Zhu Qun-Ying
2012-06-01 18:12                     ` darkestkhan
2012-05-29  8:23           ` Nomen Nescio
2012-05-29 12:32             ` Ludovic Brenta
2012-05-29 16:15             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-05-29 22:48               ` Nomen Nescio
2012-05-29 23:31                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-05-29  2:06         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-05-29  7:31           ` Nomen Nescio
2012-05-29  9:13             ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-05-29  7:58         ` Gustaf Thorslund
2012-05-29 18:25           ` onox
2012-05-30 20:56             ` Gustaf Thorslund
2012-05-29 16:45         ` Thomas Løcke
2012-05-29 21:00           ` Kulin
2012-05-29 22:26             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-05-30 16:38               ` Fritz Wuehler
2012-05-30 18:34               ` Kulin
2012-05-31  2:17             ` BrianG
2012-06-01 18:25             ` darkestkhan
2012-06-02  0:57               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-06-02  5:43                 ` darkestkhan
2012-06-02  7:02                   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-06-02  8:06                     ` Simon Wright
2012-06-02 10:25                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-06-02 13:59                         ` darkestkhan [this message]
2012-06-02 16:31                           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-06-02 16:33                             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-06-02 19:30                             ` Simon Wright
2012-06-02 20:29                               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-06-02 19:31                             ` darkestkhan
2012-06-02 20:49                               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-06-03  6:52                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-06-02 10:52                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-06-02 11:48                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-06-02 14:44                         ` darkestkhan
2012-06-02 16:51                           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-06-02 17:59                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-06-02 19:40                             ` darkestkhan
2012-06-02 20:59                               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-06-03  8:14                               ` Simon Wright
2012-06-03  8:36                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-03 10:45                                   ` Nomen Nescio
2012-06-03 18:17                                   ` Simon Wright
2012-05-29 22:36           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-05-28 17:42     ` ANN: " Simon Wright
2012-05-29  1:59       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-05-29  7:16         ` Simon Wright
2012-05-31  2:35         ` BrianG
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