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From: kanze@gabi-soft.fr
Subject: Re: C bug of the day
Date: 13 Jun 2003 08:24:15 -0700
Date: 2003-06-13T15:24:15+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d6652001.0306130724.1d0f35db@posting.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Xns9398C982B7580jimmaureenrogers@204.127.36.1

James Rogers <jimmaureenrogers@att.net> wrote in message
news:<Xns9398C982B7580jimmaureenrogers@204.127.36.1>...
> kanze@gabi-soft.fr wrote in
> news:d6652001.0306120623.151b7fa3@posting.google.com: 

> > I don't know.  I find using my propre collections far less
> > error-prone than the STL.  No iterators becoming invalid just
> > because I happened to insert an element, for example.

> > I use the STL because it is standard, not because it is a
> > particularly good generic library.

> Maybe it is a reflection of my age, but I do not find it terribly
> difficult to create my own collections.

I agree to a point.  Before I started using C++, I regularly used hash
tables in C.  Which I rewrote each time around -- if genericity isn't a
goal, and you only have to solve the problem at hand, a hash table is
only about ten or twenty lines of code.

Never the less, I use standard components whenever possible.  Not for my
own sake -- I think I could design and write something better for my
needs than the standard library.  But for the sake of the programmer
coming after me, who knows, or should know, the standard library, but
certainly isn't familiar with my personal components.

Note that while we have been speaking here about safety, no one has
mentionned readability.  And IMHO, this is the most important single
feature of safety: a well run code review will catch many more errors
than the best compiler, but for a code review to be effective, the
readers have to be able to understand what you have written.

Not that I'd try and present this as an argument for C++:-).

> This also lets me tune performance for my current problem, instead of
> accepting a somewhat average performance from a generic
> implementation.

Most of the time, I really don't care.  I want something that gets the
job done, is correct, and is readable.  And no ordering is implied --
all three are absolutly essential.

--
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  reply	other threads:[~2003-06-13 15:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 195+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-06-03 13:38 C bug of the day Hyman Rosen
2003-06-03 21:35 ` Ron Natalie
2003-06-03 21:38 ` John H. Lindsay
2003-06-04 13:25   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-03 21:49 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-06-04 13:26   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-05  7:35     ` Raoul Gough
2003-06-04 17:59   ` Carlos Moreno
2003-06-04 18:02   ` Ken Hagan
2003-06-10 16:51     ` Matthew Heaney
2003-06-04 18:05   ` Peter van Merkerk
2003-06-05  7:36     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-05 15:58       ` Terje Slettebø
2003-06-05 20:51       ` Dave Harris
2003-06-10 13:20         ` kanze
2003-06-10 13:40           ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-10 13:51             ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-10 20:32               ` Jim Rogers
2003-06-11  4:01                 ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-11  4:25                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-11  9:41                   ` kanze
2003-06-11  9:31                 ` kanze
2003-06-11 12:48                   ` James Rogers
2003-06-11 16:43                     ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-11 21:41                       ` Mike Silva
2003-06-12 12:39                     ` kanze
2003-06-12 12:52                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-13  1:32                       ` James Rogers
2003-06-13  9:37                       ` AG
2003-06-13 12:21                         ` Peter Amey
2003-06-13 13:38                         ` Ed Falis
2003-06-13 14:43                         ` kanze
2003-06-13 16:06                           ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-13 21:32                           ` AG
2003-06-11  9:22               ` kanze
2003-06-11  9:49                 ` Erlo Haugen
2003-06-11 10:11                   ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-11 10:50                     ` Erlo Haugen
2003-06-11 11:08                       ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-11 11:29                         ` Erlo Haugen
2003-06-11 11:58                           ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-11 12:38                             ` Erlo Haugen
2003-06-11 12:59                               ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-11 13:13                                 ` Erlo Haugen
2003-06-12  3:26                         ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-12 20:24                           ` Pascal Obry
2003-06-13 23:40                             ` Randy Brukardt
2003-06-14 10:57                               ` Replacement for Text_IO? (was Re: C bug of the day) Dale Stanbrough
2003-06-16 22:06                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-06-16 22:35                                 ` Gautier Write-only
2003-06-17  1:31                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2003-06-17  1:56                                   ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-06-17  8:46                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-06-17 11:42                                       ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-06-17 12:53                                       ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                         ` <sqilr-9d3.ln1@beastie.ix.netcom.com>
2003-06-12  7:35                           ` Compilers on old machines (was: " Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-13 23:33                         ` C bug of the day Randy Brukardt
2003-06-16 11:23                           ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-16 21:41                             ` Randy Brukardt
2003-06-16 21:45                               ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-17 10:52                         ` Replacement for Text_IO? (was Re: C bug of the day) Larry Kilgallen
2003-06-11 10:36                   ` C bug of the day Peter Hermann
2003-06-11 10:43                     ` Erlo Haugen
2003-06-11 13:12                       ` Bernd Trog
2003-06-11 16:40                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-06-12  7:16                     ` Erlo Haugen
2003-06-11 16:40                 ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-11 16:59                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-06-12  3:28                     ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-11 18:05                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-06-12 12:56                   ` kanze
2003-06-11 22:31             ` Kevin Cline
2003-06-12  7:06               ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-12 18:40                 ` Mike Silva
2003-06-12 19:03                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-06-13 15:07                     ` kanze
2003-06-13 15:23                       ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-12 10:21               ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-06-12 21:58                 ` Matthew Heaney
2003-06-13 15:13                   ` kanze
2003-06-14  6:10                     ` Simon Wright
2003-06-12 14:23               ` kanze
2003-06-13  1:52                 ` James Rogers
2003-06-13 15:24                   ` kanze [this message]
2003-06-13 15:31                     ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-14 10:37                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-14  6:12                     ` Simon Wright
2003-06-14 14:39                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-06-12 17:33               ` Matthew Heaney
2003-06-12 20:38               ` Simon Wright
2003-06-10 16:55           ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-11 10:10           ` James Rogers
2003-06-12  0:12             ` Andrei Alexandrescu
2003-06-12  9:23               ` James Rogers
2003-06-12 10:27                 ` Andrei Alexandrescu
2003-06-13  8:16                   ` James Rogers
2003-06-13 15:55                     ` Terje Slettebø
2003-06-14  9:57                       ` Ron Natalie
2003-06-14 20:27                         ` Terje Slettebø
2003-06-16 22:46                           ` kanze
2003-06-16 22:54                           ` Ron Natalie
2003-06-15  0:07                         ` Dave Harris
2003-06-16 22:50                           ` kanze
2003-06-17 15:33                             ` Dave Harris
2003-06-15  1:54                         ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-15 10:07                           ` Terje Slettebø
2003-06-18 21:15                         ` Balog Pal
2003-06-14 20:27                       ` Francis Glassborow
2003-06-15 10:06                         ` Terje Slettebø
2003-06-15 18:31                           ` Francis Glassborow
2003-06-16  8:45                             ` Terje Slettebø
2003-06-16 22:42                               ` Francis Glassborow
2003-06-17 17:51                             ` kanze
2003-06-18 15:47                               ` John Potter
2003-06-15 15:04                         ` John Potter
2003-06-15 21:55                           ` Francis Glassborow
2003-06-16  9:06                             ` John Potter
2003-06-16 22:43                               ` Francis Glassborow
2003-06-13 19:22                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-14  9:50                     ` kanze
2003-06-14  9:51                     ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-14 10:01                     ` Dave Harris
2003-06-15  0:45                       ` Terje Slettebø
2003-06-15 18:12                         ` Dave Harris
2003-06-16 22:52                       ` kanze
2003-06-17 10:46                         ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-06-14 10:15                     ` Andrei Alexandrescu
2003-06-14 16:16                     ` Simon Wright
2003-06-18 21:15                     ` Balog Pal
2003-06-12 19:43                 ` Balog Pal
2003-06-13  8:17                   ` James Rogers
2003-06-13 19:10                     ` Terje Slettebø
2003-06-14  9:53                     ` LLeweLLyn
2003-06-14 17:10                     ` Addding new attributes to Ada0Y Robert I. Eachus
2003-06-12 13:25             ` C bug of the day kanze
2003-06-13  0:39               ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-06-13 21:25                 ` LLeweLLyn
2003-06-13 23:42                   ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-16 22:53                 ` kanze
2003-06-17 15:43                   ` Terje Slettebø
2003-06-18  1:41                     ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-18 13:52                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-18 14:37                         ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-18 15:17                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-19  8:30                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-06-19 23:33                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-20  1:18                             ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-20  4:56                             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-06-20  5:05                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-20  5:54                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-06-20  7:10                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-06-20 21:12                               ` Mark A. Biggar
2003-06-21  7:28                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-06-18 21:12                       ` kanze
2003-06-19  3:24                         ` James Rogers
2003-06-19 14:02                           ` kanze
2003-06-19 23:29                             ` tmoran
2003-06-20  9:38                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-20 12:25                               ` kanze
2003-06-24  1:59                               ` Matthew Heaney
2003-06-20  0:42                             ` Jim Rogers
2003-06-20  9:38                               ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-20  9:39                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-19  4:28                         ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-20 23:02                         ` Stephen Leake
2003-06-21 19:41                     ` Dave Harris
2003-06-23  0:02                       ` Terje Slettebø
2003-06-23 15:51                         ` Dave Harris
2003-06-17 10:35                 ` Andy Sawyer
2003-06-17 17:48                   ` Ludovic Brenta
2003-06-17 17:52                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-06-18 14:10                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-18 15:39                     ` Andy Sawyer
2003-06-13  8:00               ` Mike Silva
2003-06-15  0:40                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-06-16 22:57                   ` kanze
2003-06-13  8:05               ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-14  9:56                 ` LLeweLLyn
2003-06-15  0:42                   ` Ed Avis
2003-06-15 10:01                     ` LLeweLLyn
2003-06-15 21:59                       ` Ed Avis
2003-06-16  9:04                       ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-15  0:45                   ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-13  8:17               ` James Rogers
2003-06-14  9:52                 ` kanze
2003-06-15  0:43                   ` James Rogers
2003-06-15 18:48                     ` Garbage Collector [Was: C bug of the day] Martin Krischik
2003-06-16 23:30                       ` Robert A Duff
2003-06-17  3:51                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-06-14 16:22                 ` Bounded integer types (was: C bug of the day) Ed Avis
2003-06-03 21:59 ` C bug of the day Mike Silva
2003-06-04 16:41 ` LLeweLLyn
2003-06-04 22:37   ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-09 23:50 ` Balog Pal
2003-06-21 19:26 ` Florian Weimer
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