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From: kanze@gabi-soft.fr
Subject: Re: C bug of the day
Date: 11 Jun 2003 02:22:09 -0700
Date: 2003-06-11T09:22:09+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d6652001.0306110122.7be294f7@posting.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: slrnbeboi5.1qc.randhol+abuse@kiuk0152.chembio.ntnu.no

Preben Randhol <randhol+abuse@pvv.org> wrote in message
news:<slrnbeboi5.1qc.randhol+abuse@kiuk0152.chembio.ntnu.no>...
> Vinzent Hoefler wrote:
> > kanze@gabi-soft.fr wrote:

> >>  I'd rather have a language in which all of the defaults were
> >>fundamentally safe, but with the freedom to override them if you had
> >>special constraints, or even in cases where you came across a case
> >>which the language authors hadn't considered. I don't know such a
> >>language, however; it may exist somewhere, but if it does, it
> >>certainly isn't very popular or wide spread.

> > And that's been posted to comp.lang.ada? ;-)

> Yes. Only goes to show that there are a lot of people who doesn't know
> that there are better alternatives to C/C++. *sigh*

I didn't say that there weren't better languages.  I only said that
there wasn't a perfect language.

I've never actually used Ada, so I cannot say for sure, but from what
I've heard and read, it does have better defaults than C++, at least in
most cases.  I suspect that for many applications, it would be a better
choice, at least on purely technical grounds, than C++.  I suspect that
the same thing is true for a number of other languages, such as Eiffel
or Modula-3.  

But I'm not sure. My original contact with Modula-3 was 10 years ago,
and I found it beautiful. A couple of months ago, I took another look.
While much of the original elegance is still there, it did seem a bit
archa�c for some things: no multiple inheritance, no destructors, etc.
While C++ has a lot of bad points, it also has some very good points
(like destructors).  In the last ten years, I've grown very used to
these good points, and very adept at avoiding the bad points.  To the
point that if a language is missing one of the good points, it seems
somehow lacking something, even if it has corrected all of the bad
points.

One could also argue that Ada isn't very popular or wide spread.  At
least, I've never been able to get a contract where I could use it.  And
I'd really like to try it, if only to be able to speak with authority
one way or the other.

--
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Thread overview: 195+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-06-03 13:38 C bug of the day Hyman Rosen
2003-06-03 21:35 ` Ron Natalie
2003-06-03 21:38 ` John H. Lindsay
2003-06-04 13:25   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-03 21:49 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-06-04 13:26   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-05  7:35     ` Raoul Gough
2003-06-04 17:59   ` Carlos Moreno
2003-06-04 18:02   ` Ken Hagan
2003-06-10 16:51     ` Matthew Heaney
2003-06-04 18:05   ` Peter van Merkerk
2003-06-05  7:36     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-05 15:58       ` Terje Slettebø
2003-06-05 20:51       ` Dave Harris
2003-06-10 13:20         ` kanze
2003-06-10 13:40           ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-10 13:51             ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-10 20:32               ` Jim Rogers
2003-06-11  4:01                 ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-11  4:25                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-11  9:41                   ` kanze
2003-06-11  9:31                 ` kanze
2003-06-11 12:48                   ` James Rogers
2003-06-11 16:43                     ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-11 21:41                       ` Mike Silva
2003-06-12 12:39                     ` kanze
2003-06-12 12:52                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-13  1:32                       ` James Rogers
2003-06-13  9:37                       ` AG
2003-06-13 12:21                         ` Peter Amey
2003-06-13 13:38                         ` Ed Falis
2003-06-13 14:43                         ` kanze
2003-06-13 16:06                           ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-13 21:32                           ` AG
2003-06-11  9:22               ` kanze [this message]
2003-06-11  9:49                 ` Erlo Haugen
2003-06-11 10:11                   ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-11 10:50                     ` Erlo Haugen
2003-06-11 11:08                       ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-11 11:29                         ` Erlo Haugen
2003-06-11 11:58                           ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-11 12:38                             ` Erlo Haugen
2003-06-11 12:59                               ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-11 13:13                                 ` Erlo Haugen
2003-06-12  3:26                         ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-12 20:24                           ` Pascal Obry
2003-06-13 23:40                             ` Randy Brukardt
2003-06-14 10:57                               ` Replacement for Text_IO? (was Re: C bug of the day) Dale Stanbrough
2003-06-16 22:06                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-06-16 22:35                                 ` Gautier Write-only
2003-06-17  1:31                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2003-06-17  1:56                                   ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-06-17  8:46                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-06-17 11:42                                       ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-06-17 12:53                                       ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                         ` <sqilr-9d3.ln1@beastie.ix.netcom.com>
2003-06-12  7:35                           ` Compilers on old machines (was: " Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-13 23:33                         ` C bug of the day Randy Brukardt
2003-06-16 11:23                           ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-16 21:41                             ` Randy Brukardt
2003-06-16 21:45                               ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-17 10:52                         ` Replacement for Text_IO? (was Re: C bug of the day) Larry Kilgallen
2003-06-11 10:36                   ` C bug of the day Peter Hermann
2003-06-11 10:43                     ` Erlo Haugen
2003-06-11 13:12                       ` Bernd Trog
2003-06-11 16:40                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-06-12  7:16                     ` Erlo Haugen
2003-06-11 16:40                 ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-11 16:59                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-06-12  3:28                     ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-11 18:05                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-06-12 12:56                   ` kanze
2003-06-11 22:31             ` Kevin Cline
2003-06-12  7:06               ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-12 18:40                 ` Mike Silva
2003-06-12 19:03                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-06-13 15:07                     ` kanze
2003-06-13 15:23                       ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-12 10:21               ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-06-12 21:58                 ` Matthew Heaney
2003-06-13 15:13                   ` kanze
2003-06-14  6:10                     ` Simon Wright
2003-06-12 14:23               ` kanze
2003-06-13  1:52                 ` James Rogers
2003-06-13 15:24                   ` kanze
2003-06-13 15:31                     ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-14 10:37                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-14  6:12                     ` Simon Wright
2003-06-14 14:39                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-06-12 17:33               ` Matthew Heaney
2003-06-12 20:38               ` Simon Wright
2003-06-10 16:55           ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-11 10:10           ` James Rogers
2003-06-12  0:12             ` Andrei Alexandrescu
2003-06-12  9:23               ` James Rogers
2003-06-12 10:27                 ` Andrei Alexandrescu
2003-06-13  8:16                   ` James Rogers
2003-06-13 15:55                     ` Terje Slettebø
2003-06-14  9:57                       ` Ron Natalie
2003-06-14 20:27                         ` Terje Slettebø
2003-06-16 22:46                           ` kanze
2003-06-16 22:54                           ` Ron Natalie
2003-06-15  0:07                         ` Dave Harris
2003-06-16 22:50                           ` kanze
2003-06-17 15:33                             ` Dave Harris
2003-06-15  1:54                         ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-15 10:07                           ` Terje Slettebø
2003-06-18 21:15                         ` Balog Pal
2003-06-14 20:27                       ` Francis Glassborow
2003-06-15 10:06                         ` Terje Slettebø
2003-06-15 18:31                           ` Francis Glassborow
2003-06-16  8:45                             ` Terje Slettebø
2003-06-16 22:42                               ` Francis Glassborow
2003-06-17 17:51                             ` kanze
2003-06-18 15:47                               ` John Potter
2003-06-15 15:04                         ` John Potter
2003-06-15 21:55                           ` Francis Glassborow
2003-06-16  9:06                             ` John Potter
2003-06-16 22:43                               ` Francis Glassborow
2003-06-13 19:22                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-14  9:50                     ` kanze
2003-06-14  9:51                     ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-14 10:01                     ` Dave Harris
2003-06-15  0:45                       ` Terje Slettebø
2003-06-15 18:12                         ` Dave Harris
2003-06-16 22:52                       ` kanze
2003-06-17 10:46                         ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-06-14 10:15                     ` Andrei Alexandrescu
2003-06-14 16:16                     ` Simon Wright
2003-06-18 21:15                     ` Balog Pal
2003-06-12 19:43                 ` Balog Pal
2003-06-13  8:17                   ` James Rogers
2003-06-13 19:10                     ` Terje Slettebø
2003-06-14  9:53                     ` LLeweLLyn
2003-06-14 17:10                     ` Addding new attributes to Ada0Y Robert I. Eachus
2003-06-12 13:25             ` C bug of the day kanze
2003-06-13  0:39               ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-06-13 21:25                 ` LLeweLLyn
2003-06-13 23:42                   ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-16 22:53                 ` kanze
2003-06-17 15:43                   ` Terje Slettebø
2003-06-18  1:41                     ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-18 13:52                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-18 14:37                         ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-18 15:17                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-19  8:30                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-06-19 23:33                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-20  1:18                             ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-20  4:56                             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-06-20  5:05                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-20  5:54                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-06-20  7:10                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-06-20 21:12                               ` Mark A. Biggar
2003-06-21  7:28                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-06-18 21:12                       ` kanze
2003-06-19  3:24                         ` James Rogers
2003-06-19 14:02                           ` kanze
2003-06-19 23:29                             ` tmoran
2003-06-20  9:38                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-20 12:25                               ` kanze
2003-06-24  1:59                               ` Matthew Heaney
2003-06-20  0:42                             ` Jim Rogers
2003-06-20  9:38                               ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-20  9:39                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-19  4:28                         ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-20 23:02                         ` Stephen Leake
2003-06-21 19:41                     ` Dave Harris
2003-06-23  0:02                       ` Terje Slettebø
2003-06-23 15:51                         ` Dave Harris
2003-06-17 10:35                 ` Andy Sawyer
2003-06-17 17:48                   ` Ludovic Brenta
2003-06-17 17:52                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-06-18 14:10                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-18 15:39                     ` Andy Sawyer
2003-06-13  8:00               ` Mike Silva
2003-06-15  0:40                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-06-16 22:57                   ` kanze
2003-06-13  8:05               ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-14  9:56                 ` LLeweLLyn
2003-06-15  0:42                   ` Ed Avis
2003-06-15 10:01                     ` LLeweLLyn
2003-06-15 21:59                       ` Ed Avis
2003-06-16  9:04                       ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-15  0:45                   ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-13  8:17               ` James Rogers
2003-06-14  9:52                 ` kanze
2003-06-15  0:43                   ` James Rogers
2003-06-15 18:48                     ` Garbage Collector [Was: C bug of the day] Martin Krischik
2003-06-16 23:30                       ` Robert A Duff
2003-06-17  3:51                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-06-14 16:22                 ` Bounded integer types (was: C bug of the day) Ed Avis
2003-06-03 21:59 ` C bug of the day Mike Silva
2003-06-04 16:41 ` LLeweLLyn
2003-06-04 22:37   ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-09 23:50 ` Balog Pal
2003-06-21 19:26 ` Florian Weimer
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