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From: Ludovic Brenta <ludovic@ludovic-brenta.org>
Subject: Re: Ada requires too much typing!
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 06:29:31 -0700 (PDT)
Date: 2010-05-26T06:29:31-07:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d588a7a8-4ec0-417e-9c6a-79024baa9db9@f14g2000vbn.googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 4bfd19ba$0$2362$4d3efbfe@news.sover.net

Peter C. Chapin wrote on comp.lang.ada:
> <quote>
> The whole "I will make you do extra work coding just so you can demonstrate
> to me that you're not being lazy" attitude of Java is perhaps useful in some
> situations, but we already have Java for that.  I don't think adopting that
> attitude of making you do busywork would be an asset for Scala.
>
>   --Rex
> </quote>
>
> Hmmm... "busywork"... interesting. I can only imagine what this person, or
> others in that community, would have to say about Ada... or SPARK!

Interpreting an rephrasing Rex's words: "Scala is for lazy
programmers; non-lazy ("serious"?) programmers should use Java." If he
really thinks Java is for the non-lazy ("serious"?) programmers, then
he needs a reality check. If Scala is for lazy programmers, then I'd
rather not have anything to do with it or with said programmers :)

Also interesting is his word "coding". In his mind, Java and Scala are
both for "coding", not for "writing" or "designing" or "explaining" a
program. In this light I can understand him; since both languages can
only convey "code", verbosity is of little value indeed.

Ada, by contrast, is not for "coders", it is for software engineers.
Ada program text (as opposed to "source code") carries a lot of
information about the design and intent of the program; about the whys
and wherefores and not just about the hows. *This* is the value of
verbosity.

Like I said earlier: sloppy programmers avoid Ada, therefore Ada helps
avoid sloppy programmers.

--
Ludovic Brenta.



  reply	other threads:[~2010-05-26 13:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-26 12:57 Ada requires too much typing! Peter C. Chapin
2010-05-26 13:29 ` Ludovic Brenta [this message]
2010-05-26 15:56   ` Peter Hermann
2010-05-26 16:12     ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-05-26 18:57   ` Pascal Obry
2010-05-26 19:30   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-26 14:48 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-05-27 17:10   ` Warren
2010-05-27 22:15     ` Adam Beneschan
2010-05-28 15:26       ` Warren
2010-05-30  0:49   ` BrianG
2010-05-30  7:27     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-30  9:17       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-30  9:51         ` Simon Wright
2010-06-02  1:42           ` BrianG
2010-05-26 15:23 ` Adam Beneschan
2010-05-26 17:20 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-05-26 19:33   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-26 21:55     ` Simon Wright
2010-05-26 23:36     ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-05-27  2:07 ` Fritz Wuehler
2010-05-27  4:19   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-27 19:51   ` Warren
2010-06-03 16:54 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-06-03 16:09   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-03 16:11     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-04 11:40       ` Nicolas Cóilin Paul de Gloucester
2010-06-04 13:54         ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-06-07 11:57           ` Off-topic: subthread of: "Re: Ada requires too much typing!" Colin Paul Gloster
2010-06-04 11:29     ` Ada requires too much typing! Nicholas Collin Paul de Gloucester
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-05-28  5:25 Luis Espinal
2010-05-28  6:47 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-28 15:52   ` John B. Matthews
2010-05-28 17:31     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-28 19:05       ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-05-28 19:39         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-28  9:48 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-05-28 10:10 ` Alex R. Mosteo
2010-06-01 21:30   ` Luis Espinal
2010-06-02 11:08     ` Alex R. Mosteo
2010-06-05 19:58       ` Luis Espinal
2010-06-02 13:09     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-05 20:13       ` Luis Espinal
2010-06-06  4:25         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-06  8:55     ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-06 10:13       ` Simon Wright
2010-06-06 11:03         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-06 12:04         ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-07  8:34           ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-07  9:25             ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-07 12:04               ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-06-07 12:17               ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-07 12:26                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-07 15:00                 ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-08  7:46                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-08  8:53                     ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-09  7:50                       ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-09  8:10                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-09  8:43                           ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-09  9:24                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-09 13:54                               ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-09 14:29                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-09 15:02                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-09 15:53                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-09 18:00                                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-09 19:10                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-09 21:09                                           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-10  8:07                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-10  8:44                                               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-10  9:07                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-10 10:10                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-10 10:28                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-09 21:22                                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-09 23:09                                     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-10  8:15                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-10 13:37                                       ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-10 13:57                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-09 14:31                               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-09 15:57                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-09 17:51                                   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-10  6:13                         ` Randy Brukardt
2010-06-10  6:19                           ` AdaMagica
2010-06-10 21:59                             ` Randy Brukardt
2010-06-10  6:34                           ` Vadim Godunko
2010-06-10  6:54                             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-10  7:36                               ` Vadim Godunko
2010-06-10  8:21                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-10  8:51                                   ` Vadim Godunko
2010-06-10  9:20                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-10  8:51                                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-10 22:08                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2010-06-11  9:13                                   ` Stephen Leake
2010-06-10  7:20                             ` AdaMagica
2010-06-10  8:57                               ` Vadim Godunko
2010-06-10 10:12                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-10 13:47                                   ` Alex R. Mosteo
2010-06-10 19:18                                   ` Vadim Godunko
2010-06-10 22:08                                   ` Gautier write-only
2010-06-10 22:17                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2010-06-11 18:38                                     ` Simon Wright
2010-06-29  2:13                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2010-06-11  9:14                                   ` Stephen Leake
2010-06-11 18:03                                     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-06-11  9:11                             ` Stephen Leake
2010-06-10  7:21                           ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-10 19:33                             ` Simon Wright
2010-06-10 22:23                             ` Randy Brukardt
2010-06-07  8:13       ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-07  8:35         ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-07  8:43         ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-06  8:06 ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-07 18:30   ` Luis Espinal
2010-06-08  6:43     ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-08  7:10       ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-08  9:00         ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-10 13:56           ` Alex R. Mosteo
2010-06-10 14:29             ` J-P. Rosen
2010-06-11 11:57               ` Alex R. Mosteo
2010-06-08 10:10       ` Niklas Holsti
2010-06-08 11:35         ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-10 13:58           ` Alex R. Mosteo
2010-06-10 19:45           ` Simon Wright
2010-06-10 20:09             ` Niklas Holsti
2010-06-10 18:21         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
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