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From: Gene <gene.ressler@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Decline?
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:00:27 -0700 (PDT)
Date: 2008-03-13T11:00:27-07:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d53f094e-1103-4b2c-84ff-09fd23363045@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87tzjb8nfa.fsf@ludovic-brenta.org

On Mar 12, 8:42 pm, Ludovic Brenta <ludo...@ludovic-brenta.org> wrote:
> Thomas writes:
> > gp...@axonx.com wrote:
>
> >> If popularity is the major criteria to choose the language we all
> >> should use VB.
>
> >> George.
>
> > Hehe, good point.
>
> > I'm not so much worried about the popularity thing - it's more the
> > "nonexistent future" statement that made me wonder.
>
> The paper was published in 2003 and stated the future was "dubious or
> nonexistent".  Since then:
>
> * a new revision of the language was published.
> * AdaCore and the FSF made several major releases of their compiler and IDE;
> * Aonix released their Eclipse Ada plug-in;
> * AdaControl (several releases);
> * Ada Web Server (several releases);
> * PolyORB (several releases);
> * the GNU Ada Project was started;
> * the amount of Ada sources shipped as part of Debian went from 576 kSLOC
>   to 1 MSLOC (June 2005) to 1.3 MSLOC (April 2007);
> * the professional Ada conferences continued to take place;
> * Ada was featured at the "Rencontres Mondiales du Logiciel Libre" in 2004;
> * and again at FOSDEM 2006;
> * GNU/Linux Magazine France published a series of 17 articles by Yves
>   Bailly, covering all aspects of the language (to the point where
>   students I talked to thought Ada was "fashionable")
>
> I probably forgot lots of other noteworthy events but you get the idea.
>
> I think that's not too bad for a "dubious or nonexistent future".
>

Thanks.  We're one of the schools mentioned in this depressing
document that uses Ada for CS1 and CS2.  We're still firm believers
that there exist zero better languages for _educating_ computer
scientists.  Fortunately we also have zero need to train enty level
programmers in our CS major, which most schools do.

I have to confess that we have recently changed the last semester of
the CS3 course to Java for a number of reasons, not least of which is
to give students a sense that they may, after lots of hard work, have
earned the knowledge to operate in that environment without mother Ada
to keep them on the straight path.

The Air Force Academy, also mentioned, has, I regret to say, gone over
to the dark side.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-03-13 18:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-03-12 13:44 Decline? Thomas
2008-03-12 15:00 ` Decline? gpriv
2008-03-12 15:23   ` Decline? Ludovic Brenta
2008-03-12 15:25   ` Decline? Thomas
2008-03-13  0:42     ` Decline? Ludovic Brenta
2008-03-13  6:34       ` Decline? Thomas
2008-03-13 10:08         ` Decline? VilleWitt
2008-03-13 10:28           ` Upsurge? (was: Decline?) Ludovic Brenta
2008-03-13 12:04             ` Upsurge? Thomas
2008-03-13 12:13               ` Upsurge? Alex R. Mosteo
2008-03-14 14:45               ` Upsurge? Ludovic Brenta
2008-03-14 15:26                 ` Upsurge? Thomas
2008-03-15 11:41                   ` Ada i Danmark (Was: Upsurge?) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2008-03-15 16:22                     ` Thomas
2008-03-15 21:19                       ` Ada i Danmark Jacob Sparre Andersen
2008-03-17 12:09                   ` Upsurge? Poul-Erik Andreasen
2008-03-17 14:58                     ` Upsurge? Thomas
2008-03-17 14:35                 ` Ada UK, was: Upsurge? Simon Clubley
2008-03-18 11:29                   ` Ludovic Brenta
2008-03-18 12:11                     ` Dirk Craeynest
2008-03-15  7:39               ` Upsurge? Stephen Leake
2008-03-20  5:51               ` Upsurge? DScott
2008-03-20  8:21                 ` Upsurge? Thomas
2008-03-20 20:06                   ` Upsurge? DScott
2008-03-21  9:44                     ` Upsurge? Thomas
2008-03-13 18:00       ` Gene [this message]
2008-03-13 19:50         ` Decline? Georg Bauhaus
2008-03-14 16:29           ` Decline? Eric Hughes
2008-03-14  1:46       ` Decline? Randy Brukardt
2008-03-14  7:57         ` Decline? Stefan.Lucks
2008-03-14  9:30           ` Textbooks (Was: Decline?) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2008-03-14 11:39             ` Peter C. Chapin
2008-03-14 13:56               ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-03-15 23:38               ` adaworks
2008-03-16  0:25                 ` Peter C. Chapin
2008-03-16  7:38                 ` Textbooks Jacob Sparre Andersen
2008-03-16 19:51                   ` Textbooks adaworks
2008-03-17 13:16                   ` Textbooks John McCormick
2008-03-22 16:11             ` Textbooks (Was: Decline?) stefan-lucks
2008-03-12 18:02   ` Decline? Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-03-12 19:24 ` Decline? Jeffrey R. Carter
2008-03-13  9:01 ` Decline? Jerry
2008-03-15 23:18 ` Decline? adaworks
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