* Ada for dummies needed. @ 2005-02-28 12:27 corlioni1976 2005-02-28 17:41 ` Jeffrey Carter ` (4 more replies) 0 siblings, 5 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: corlioni1976 @ 2005-02-28 12:27 UTC (permalink / raw) Hi All I need to learn to program in ada language are there any dummies book or similar? Any help advise would be appreciated. Naveed ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Ada for dummies needed. 2005-02-28 12:27 Ada for dummies needed corlioni1976 @ 2005-02-28 17:41 ` Jeffrey Carter 2005-02-28 21:39 ` israel 2005-03-01 6:29 ` Adrian Hoe 2005-02-28 21:55 ` britt.snodgrass ` (3 subsequent siblings) 4 siblings, 2 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Jeffrey Carter @ 2005-02-28 17:41 UTC (permalink / raw) corlioni1976 wrote: > > I need to learn to program in ada language are there any dummies book or > similar? I'm afraid you're out of luck. Ada is for software engineers, not dummies. Dummies use inferior languages, for which "dummies books" are plentiful. However, if you are a software engineer and not a dummy, you will find plenty of information, including on-line texts and tutorials, at adapower.com and adaworld.com. -- Jeff Carter "Why don't you bore a hole in yourself and let the sap run out?" Horse Feathers 49 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Ada for dummies needed. 2005-02-28 17:41 ` Jeffrey Carter @ 2005-02-28 21:39 ` israel 2005-03-01 6:29 ` Adrian Hoe 1 sibling, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: israel @ 2005-02-28 21:39 UTC (permalink / raw) Jeffrey Carter <spam@spam.com> writes: > corlioni1976 wrote: >> I need to learn to program in ada language are there any dummies >> book or >> similar? Have a look at the lovelace tutorial. I remember it being pretty good back when I used it. Ada is an excellent language to learn despite what you might hear from trolls and critics. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Ada for dummies needed. 2005-02-28 17:41 ` Jeffrey Carter 2005-02-28 21:39 ` israel @ 2005-03-01 6:29 ` Adrian Hoe 2005-03-01 17:22 ` Jeffrey Carter 1 sibling, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Adrian Hoe @ 2005-03-01 6:29 UTC (permalink / raw) Jeffrey Carter wrote: > corlioni1976 wrote: > > > > I need to learn to program in ada language are there any dummies book or > > similar? > > I'm afraid you're out of luck. Ada is for software engineers, not > dummies. Dummies use inferior languages, for which "dummies books" are > plentiful. > > However, if you are a software engineer and not a dummy, you will find > plenty of information, including on-line texts and tutorials, at > adapower.com and adaworld.com. > > -- > Jeff Carter > "Why don't you bore a hole in yourself and let the sap run out?" > Horse Feathers > 49 That sounds very harsh and biased to a beginner (or dummy). Couldn't you be humble and nice? Cheers :-) I'm writing a book, "Ada as First Language" but unfortunately, I have not finished. I'm working on it only when I have free time. This book is based on my experience teaching Ada in university. But I think John Barnes' "Programming in Ada95" is good if you already have some programming background. Seriously, if you really want to learn Ada, I think nothing will stop you, at least IMHO. -- Adrian Hoe ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Ada for dummies needed. 2005-03-01 6:29 ` Adrian Hoe @ 2005-03-01 17:22 ` Jeffrey Carter 2005-03-01 20:15 ` israel 2005-03-08 18:06 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG 0 siblings, 2 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Jeffrey Carter @ 2005-03-01 17:22 UTC (permalink / raw) Adrian Hoe wrote: > That sounds very harsh and biased to a beginner (or dummy). Couldn't > you be humble and nice? Cheers :-) I think it's a good thing that Ada is not for dummies. That may limit its popularity, but it means that a person's attitude towards Ada may be used as a discriminator. Now if we can just arrange things so dummies are not allowed to make language choices or create designs ... -- Jeff Carter "Ada has made you lazy and careless. You can write programs in C that are just as safe by the simple application of super-human diligence." E. Robert Tisdale 72 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Ada for dummies needed. 2005-03-01 17:22 ` Jeffrey Carter @ 2005-03-01 20:15 ` israel 2005-03-02 10:17 ` Peter Hermann ` (2 more replies) 2005-03-08 18:06 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG 1 sibling, 3 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: israel @ 2005-03-01 20:15 UTC (permalink / raw) Jeffrey Carter <spam@spam.com> writes: > Now if we can just arrange things so dummies are not allowed to make > language choices or create designs ... Easy ! Just publish 'Explosives For Dummies' and leave out the safety instructions. That will improve the human gene pool. :-) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Ada for dummies needed. 2005-03-01 20:15 ` israel @ 2005-03-02 10:17 ` Peter Hermann 2005-03-02 12:01 ` israel 2005-03-02 11:02 ` Ada for dummies needed. (OT) Georg Bauhaus 2005-03-02 17:18 ` Ada for dummies needed Larry Kilgallen 2 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Peter Hermann @ 2005-03-02 10:17 UTC (permalink / raw) israel <rambam@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > Jeffrey Carter <spam@spam.com> writes: > > > Now if we can just arrange things so dummies are not allowed to make > > language choices or create designs ... > > Easy ! > > Just publish 'Explosives For Dummies' and leave out the safety instructions. > That will improve the human gene pool. > :-) look out for "quote of the day" in http://www.csv.ica.uni-stuttgart.de/homes/ph/resources_on_ada.html :-) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Ada for dummies needed. 2005-03-02 10:17 ` Peter Hermann @ 2005-03-02 12:01 ` israel 0 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: israel @ 2005-03-02 12:01 UTC (permalink / raw) Peter Hermann <ica2ph@sinus.csv.ica.uni-stuttgart.de> writes: > look out for "quote of the day" in > http://www.csv.ica.uni-stuttgart.de/homes/ph/resources_on_ada.html > > :-) I am now a legend in my own lunchtime ! :-) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Ada for dummies needed. (OT) 2005-03-01 20:15 ` israel 2005-03-02 10:17 ` Peter Hermann @ 2005-03-02 11:02 ` Georg Bauhaus 2005-03-02 17:18 ` Ada for dummies needed Larry Kilgallen 2 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Georg Bauhaus @ 2005-03-02 11:02 UTC (permalink / raw) israel wrote: > Jeffrey Carter <spam@spam.com> writes: > Just publish 'Explosives For Dummies' and leave out the safety instructions. > That will improve the human gene pool. > :-) It doesn't (beeing German makes one aware of misconceptions of this sort.) OTOH, enough money to buy good books for your kids is a factor in improving education. Georg ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Ada for dummies needed. 2005-03-01 20:15 ` israel 2005-03-02 10:17 ` Peter Hermann 2005-03-02 11:02 ` Ada for dummies needed. (OT) Georg Bauhaus @ 2005-03-02 17:18 ` Larry Kilgallen 2005-03-04 4:11 ` Ed Falis 2 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Larry Kilgallen @ 2005-03-02 17:18 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <877jkrktef.fsf@kafka.homenet>, israel <rambam@bigpond.net.au> writes: > Jeffrey Carter <spam@spam.com> writes: > >> Now if we can just arrange things so dummies are not allowed to make >> language choices or create designs ... > > Easy ! > > Just publish 'Explosives For Dummies' and leave out the safety instructions. > That will improve the human gene pool. > :-) My wife says: Come on, why go to the work of taking out the safety instructions? If they were inclined to read the safety instructions, they wouldn't be called dummies. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Ada for dummies needed. 2005-03-02 17:18 ` Ada for dummies needed Larry Kilgallen @ 2005-03-04 4:11 ` Ed Falis 0 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Ed Falis @ 2005-03-04 4:11 UTC (permalink / raw) On 2 Mar 2005 11:18:17 -0600, Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote: > My wife says: > > Come on, why go to the work of taking out the safety instructions? > > If they were inclined to read the safety instructions, they wouldn't > be called dummies. Good 'un! - Ed ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Ada for dummies needed. 2005-03-01 17:22 ` Jeffrey Carter 2005-03-01 20:15 ` israel @ 2005-03-08 18:06 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG 1 sibling, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Warren W. Gay VE3WWG @ 2005-03-08 18:06 UTC (permalink / raw) Jeffrey Carter wrote: > Adrian Hoe wrote: > >> That sounds very harsh and biased to a beginner (or dummy). Couldn't >> you be humble and nice? Cheers :-) > > I think it's a good thing that Ada is not for dummies. That may limit > its popularity, but it means that a person's attitude towards Ada may be > used as a discriminator. I have to disagree with this. Isn't part of the idea to encourage people to use Ada? I don't think it need to become a snobbish sort of fraternity/guild. > Now if we can just arrange things so dummies are not allowed to make > language choices or create designs ... Obviously, you don't want them to choose Ada either. Your attitude just seems counter productive. Maybe I didn't see the smileys. Warren. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Ada for dummies needed. 2005-02-28 12:27 Ada for dummies needed corlioni1976 2005-02-28 17:41 ` Jeffrey Carter @ 2005-02-28 21:55 ` britt.snodgrass 2005-03-01 6:38 ` israel ` (2 subsequent siblings) 4 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: britt.snodgrass @ 2005-02-28 21:55 UTC (permalink / raw) corlioni1976 wrote: > Hi All > > I need to learn to program in ada language are there any dummies book or > similar? > > Any help advise would be appreciated. > > Naveed For beginners (not dummies) see Ada Distilled at http://www.adaic.org/docs/distilled/adadistilled.pdf Britt ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Ada for dummies needed. 2005-02-28 12:27 Ada for dummies needed corlioni1976 2005-02-28 17:41 ` Jeffrey Carter 2005-02-28 21:55 ` britt.snodgrass @ 2005-03-01 6:38 ` israel 2005-03-01 8:02 ` corlioni1976 2005-03-04 21:03 ` Dani 2005-05-02 14:40 ` stephane richard 4 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: israel @ 2005-03-01 6:38 UTC (permalink / raw) "corlioni1976" <corlioni1976REMOVE@yahoo.co.uk> writes: > I need to learn to program in ada language are there any dummies book or > similar? Ada Lovelace tutorial (free) http://www.adahome.com/Tutorials/Lovelace/lovelace.htm Here is another one which seems reasonable, if a bit verbose. In addition, it is shareware. http://www.infres.enst.fr/~pautet/Ada95/a95list.htm Also, your local university library should have a few books on Ada. BTW, why do you have to learn Ada ? Is it a requirement for a course ? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Ada for dummies needed. 2005-03-01 6:38 ` israel @ 2005-03-01 8:02 ` corlioni1976 2005-03-01 9:01 ` Peter Hermann ` (3 more replies) 0 siblings, 4 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: corlioni1976 @ 2005-03-01 8:02 UTC (permalink / raw) "israel" <rambam@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message news:87y8d76ezx.fsf@kafka.homenet... > "corlioni1976" <corlioni1976REMOVE@yahoo.co.uk> writes: > > > > I need to learn to program in ada language are there any dummies book or > > similar? > > > Ada Lovelace tutorial (free) > http://www.adahome.com/Tutorials/Lovelace/lovelace.htm > > Here is another one which seems reasonable, if a bit verbose. > In addition, it is shareware. > http://www.infres.enst.fr/~pautet/Ada95/a95list.htm > > Also, your local university library should have a few books on Ada. > > BTW, why do you have to learn Ada ? > Is it a requirement for a course ? Hi Thanks for your advise. My manager at work wants me to learn Ada and has enrolled me in a 5 day training course to start in three months time. The company will provide some books for me, but I need to determine which ones are good for beginner programmers. Hence my original post. As the company has offered to buy the books I dont really want to concentrate on the free tutorials yet. Many thank ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Ada for dummies needed. 2005-03-01 8:02 ` corlioni1976 @ 2005-03-01 9:01 ` Peter Hermann 2005-03-01 11:19 ` israel 2005-03-01 17:18 ` Jeffrey Carter ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Peter Hermann @ 2005-03-01 9:01 UTC (permalink / raw) corlioni1976 <corlioni1976REMOVE@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > http://www.infres.enst.fr/~pautet/Ada95/a95list.htm your activity led to an update of http://www.csv.ica.uni-stuttgart.de/homes/ph/resources_on_ada.html (look out for a capital_letter red "NEW") > My manager at work wants me to learn Ada and has enrolled me in a 5 day > training course to start in three months time. The company will provide > some books for me, but I need to determine which ones are good for beginner > programmers. Hence my original post. As the company has offered to buy the > books I dont really want to concentrate on the free tutorials yet. In that case I would recommend to buy this one: http://www.research.ibm.com/people/n/ncohen/a3sl.html -- --Peter Hermann(49)0711-685-3611 fax3758 ica2ph@csv.ica.uni-stuttgart.de --Pfaffenwaldring 27 Raum 114, D-70569 Stuttgart Uni Computeranwendungen --http://www.csv.ica.uni-stuttgart.de/homes/ph/ --Team Ada: "C'mon people let the world begin" (Paul McCartney) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Ada for dummies needed. 2005-03-01 9:01 ` Peter Hermann @ 2005-03-01 11:19 ` israel 0 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: israel @ 2005-03-01 11:19 UTC (permalink / raw) Peter Hermann <ica2ph@sinus.csv.ica.uni-stuttgart.de> writes: > In that case I would recommend to buy this one: > http://www.research.ibm.com/people/n/ncohen/a3sl.html Yes, Ada as a second language is a good book. It cuts out a lot of the annoying waffle that some of the other books have. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Ada for dummies needed. 2005-03-01 8:02 ` corlioni1976 2005-03-01 9:01 ` Peter Hermann @ 2005-03-01 17:18 ` Jeffrey Carter 2005-03-04 4:13 ` Ed Falis 2005-05-04 9:30 ` spammenot 3 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Jeffrey Carter @ 2005-03-01 17:18 UTC (permalink / raw) corlioni1976 wrote: > > My manager at work wants me to learn Ada and has enrolled me in a 5 day > training course to start in three months time. The company will provide > some books for me, but I need to determine which ones are good for beginner > programmers. Hence my original post. As the company has offered to buy the > books I dont really want to concentrate on the free tutorials yet. If you have some development experience and are interested in physical books, I'd recommend Barnes, /Programming in Ada 95/, or Cohen, /Ada as a Second Language/. Still no books for dummies, though. -- Jeff Carter "Ada has made you lazy and careless. You can write programs in C that are just as safe by the simple application of super-human diligence." E. Robert Tisdale 72 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Ada for dummies needed. 2005-03-01 8:02 ` corlioni1976 2005-03-01 9:01 ` Peter Hermann 2005-03-01 17:18 ` Jeffrey Carter @ 2005-03-04 4:13 ` Ed Falis 2005-05-04 9:30 ` spammenot 3 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Ed Falis @ 2005-03-04 4:13 UTC (permalink / raw) On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 08:02:21 -0000, corlioni1976 <corlioni1976REMOVE@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > As the company has offered to buy the > books I dont really want to concentrate on the free tutorials yet. Have you done programming before? If yes, the best two books around are Norm Cohen's Ada as a Second Language, and John Barnes' Programming in Ada 95. Each serves well as a reference, but also expects a certain amount of programming savvy as a prerequisite. But even if you've never programmed, these are both great references that you'll use later on. - Ed ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Ada for dummies needed. 2005-03-01 8:02 ` corlioni1976 ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2005-03-04 4:13 ` Ed Falis @ 2005-05-04 9:30 ` spammenot 3 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: spammenot @ 2005-05-04 9:30 UTC (permalink / raw) corlioni1976 wrote: > "israel" <rambam@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message > news:87y8d76ezx.fsf@kafka.homenet... > >>"corlioni1976" <corlioni1976REMOVE@yahoo.co.uk> writes: >> >> >> >>>I need to learn to program in ada language are there any dummies book or >>>similar? >> >> >>Ada Lovelace tutorial (free) >>http://www.adahome.com/Tutorials/Lovelace/lovelace.htm >> >>Here is another one which seems reasonable, if a bit verbose. >>In addition, it is shareware. >>http://www.infres.enst.fr/~pautet/Ada95/a95list.htm >> >>Also, your local university library should have a few books on Ada. >> >>BTW, why do you have to learn Ada ? >>Is it a requirement for a course ? > > > Hi > > Thanks for your advise. > > My manager at work wants me to learn Ada and has enrolled me in a 5 day > training course to start in three months time. The company will provide > some books for me, but I need to determine which ones are good for beginner > programmers. Hence my original post. As the company has offered to buy the > books I dont really want to concentrate on the free tutorials yet. > > Many thank > > > If on the other hand you aren't very experienced with programming then I would recommend "Programming and Problem solving with Ada 95" Dale, Weems, McCormick. I prefer that to the John Barnes book personally. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Ada for dummies needed. 2005-02-28 12:27 Ada for dummies needed corlioni1976 ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2005-03-01 6:38 ` israel @ 2005-03-04 21:03 ` Dani 2005-05-02 14:40 ` stephane richard 4 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Dani @ 2005-03-04 21:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: comp.lang.ada hi! if you know "any" language, this two books Helps a Lot! (my initiation in Ada was with this books :-) * Programming In Ada95 2nd edition (or more recent) author John Barnes and after you learn the book above:-) an excitting topic is concurrency, in the following book * Concurrency in Ada Second edition (or more recent) authors Alan Burns and Andy Wellings After you studied this two books (first learned "John Barnes" or mybe you will not understanding the "Alan Burns and Andy Wellings" ), there have many official papers how "Ada Rationale" and others. many these papers have full on-line versions and permition for you make a "private copy" without fee. www.google.com is your friend. []'s of seven rounds,Dani. corlioni1976 escreveu: >Hi All > >I need to learn to program in ada language are there any dummies book or >similar? > >Any help advise would be appreciated. > >Naveed > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Ada for dummies needed. 2005-02-28 12:27 Ada for dummies needed corlioni1976 ` (3 preceding siblings ...) 2005-03-04 21:03 ` Dani @ 2005-05-02 14:40 ` stephane richard 4 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: stephane richard @ 2005-05-02 14:40 UTC (permalink / raw) you can go to my website (http://www.adaworld.com) and take a look at the learning center :-)....there's alot of reference there. Also you can have a look at http://www.adapower.com another great source of information and reading material "corlioni1976" <corlioni1976REMOVE@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:cvv2p2$arn$1@rdel.co.uk... > Hi All > > I need to learn to program in ada language are there any dummies book or > similar? > > Any help advise would be appreciated. > > Naveed > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
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