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From: cpp@netcom.com (Robin Rowe)
Subject: Re: What good is halting prob?
Date: 1995/04/20
Date: 1995-04-20T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cppD7CH4x.3v1@netcom.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: dewar.798381929@gnat

In article <dewar.798381929@gnat>, Robert Dewar <dewar@cs.nyu.edu> wrote:
>Robin is certainly right to point out that a program on its own cannot
>usefully be said to be correct or incorrect....

I didn't go quite that far. I can envision the program itself being the 
specification. In fact, I see no other way to guarantee that a program 
really matches its specification.

>But Robin, don't make the mistake of assuming that because a problem is
>undecidable it is impossible to write a program that decides it in 
>most or some cases.

Not only don't I make this mistake, it is the tendency toward that 
misconception on the part of halting problem believers that made me 
question its value in the first place. However, now that I've used the 
halting problem a couple time in replies on this thread I have new 
respect for the halting problem's usefulness.

>then our task as a programmer is simply to avoid the cannot_tell cases
>in our programs if we are interested in correct programs. 

In practice it is not feasible to statically eliminate the cannot_tell 
cases because a real computer doesn't have an infinite tape (or time). It 
can be painted into a corner. What I think is achievable is to design a 
program that knows it doesn't know and fails gracefully.

Robin
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  reply	other threads:[~1995-04-20  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1995-03-17  0:24 Should internet support software be written in Ada? Bill Brooks
1995-03-17  8:47 ` Anthony Shipman
1995-03-19 22:06 ` David Weller
1995-03-23 15:05   ` Theodore Dennison
1995-03-24 10:26     ` Fred J. McCall
1995-03-27  9:50       ` Robb Nebbe
1995-03-27 19:43         ` State machines and Goto's (was Re: Should internet support software be written in Ada?) Robert I. Eachus
1995-03-27 23:14           ` Arthur Evans Jr
1995-03-29  0:00           ` Dan
1995-04-01  0:00             ` Mike White
1995-04-04  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-06  0:00                 ` Theodore Dennison
1995-04-06  0:00                   ` Norman H. Cohen
1995-04-07  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-07  0:00                   ` Tucker Taft
1995-04-07  0:00                 ` Mike White
     [not found]                   ` <3ma7rt$smt@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com>
     [not found]                     ` <dewar.797514490@gnat>
     [not found]                       ` <3meunj$66u@felix.seas.gwu.edu>
1995-04-20  0:00                         ` CS teachers who can't code their way outta a paper bag Richard A. O'Keefe
1995-03-27 14:24       ` Should internet support software be written in Ada? Theodore Dennison
1995-03-28  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1995-03-28  9:32         ` Fred J. McCall
1995-03-29  0:00           ` Theodore Dennison
1995-03-29  0:00   ` Robert I. Eachus
1995-03-31  0:00     ` Theodore Dennison
1995-04-05  0:00   ` Wes Groleau
1995-04-07  0:00   ` State machines and Goto's (was Re: Should internet support software be written in Ada?) Wes Groleau
1995-04-07  0:00     ` Robert Firth
     [not found]       ` <D6qyv0.6Jv@nntpa.cb.att.com>
1995-04-19  0:00         ` Fergus Henderson
1995-04-19  0:00           ` Fred J. McCall
1995-04-19  0:00             ` George Haddad
1995-04-20  0:00             ` Bill Winn
1995-04-20  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-20  0:00             ` State machines and Goto's (was Re: Sho Brian Hanson
1995-04-20  0:00             ` State machines and Goto's (was Re: Should internet support software be written in Ada?) Mark A Biggar
1995-03-22 23:08 ` Should internet support software be written in Ada? Keith Thompson
     [not found] ` <dewar.798207931@gnat>
     [not found]   ` <cppD78ywq.B31@netcom.com>
     [not found]     ` <dewar.798240702@gnat>
1995-04-19  0:00       ` Problems with proofs Brian Harvey
1995-04-19  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-20  0:00       ` Robin Rowe
1995-04-20  0:00       ` Robin Rowe
1995-04-20  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-20  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-21  0:00           ` Robin Rowe
1995-04-21  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-20  0:00         ` Steve Tate
1995-04-20  0:00           ` Apology to Steve Robin Rowe
1995-04-21  0:00         ` Problems with proofs Larry Kahn
     [not found]     ` <3n1fsv$lgd@butch.lmsc.lockheed.com>
1995-04-20  0:00       ` Robin Rowe
1995-04-20  0:00         ` Garlington KE
     [not found] ` <dewar.798093453@gnat>
1995-04-20  0:00   ` What good is halting prob? Max Hailperin
     [not found] ` <3me1qs$n4a@theopolis.orl.mmc.com>
     [not found]   ` <3mevmu$8an@felix.seas.gwu.edu>
     [not found]     ` <3mh75i$8eu@rational.rational.com>
     [not found]       ` <3mjihr$iqq@felix.seas.gwu.edu>
     [not found]         ` <3mp20f$80t@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com>
1995-04-20  0:00           ` Academic CS Losers? Phillip Fanous
1995-04-21  0:00             ` Bill Winn
     [not found] ` <3mrv7h$3mq@larry.rice.edu>
     [not found]   ` <3msnu4$6am@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com>
     [not found]     ` <KUBEK.95Apr18213646@insage.gerii.insa-tlse.fr>
     [not found]       ` <cppD792GC.1uI@netcom.com>
1995-04-20  0:00         ` Teaching OO/C++ Philip Machanick
     [not found] ` <cppD75t6F.47M@netcom.com>
     [not found]   ` <EACHUS.95Apr17172831@spectre.mitre.org>
     [not found]     ` <cppD77Ex6.E77@netcom.com>
     [not found]       ` <3mve9b$gaj@news.cais.com>
1995-04-18  0:00         ` What good is halting prob? Jay M Martin
1995-04-19  0:00           ` Steve Tate
1995-04-20  0:00             ` Jay M Martin
1995-04-21  0:00               ` Steve Tate
1995-04-21  0:00             ` Ray Toal
     [not found]         ` <cppD7880n.32B@netcom.com>
1995-04-19  0:00           ` Randolph Crawford
1995-04-19  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-20  0:00             ` Robin Rowe
1995-04-20  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-20  0:00                 ` Robin Rowe [this message]
1995-04-21  0:00                   ` Brian Hanson
1995-04-21  0:00           ` sxc
     [not found]       ` <dewar.798172270@gnat>
     [not found]         ` <cppD786FM.1u9@netcom.com>
     [not found]           ` <dewar.798207364@gnat>
     [not found]             ` <3n0ka7$b57@hermes.unt.edu>
     [not found]               ` <dewar.798232482@gnat>
1995-04-19  0:00                 ` Mark A Biggar
1995-04-19  0:00                   ` Steve Tate
1995-04-19  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]             ` <cppD78xMv.49w@netcom.com>
1995-04-19  0:00               ` Robb Nebbe
1995-04-19  0:00           ` Mark A Biggar
1995-04-19  0:00             ` Richard Ladd Kirkham
1995-04-19  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-20  0:00                 ` Richard Ladd Kirkham
1995-04-20  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-21  0:00               ` Mark A Biggar
1995-04-21  0:00       ` Robert I. Eachus
1995-04-21  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
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