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From: Georg Bauhaus <sb463ba@l1-hrz.uni-duisburg.de>
Subject: Re: GWindows and a future home for it
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 18:58:56 +0000 (UTC)
Date: 2004-10-06T18:58:56+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ck1f9g$bin$1@a1-hrz.uni-duisburg.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: mailman.216.1097082275.390.comp.lang.ada@ada-france.org

Marius Amado Alves <amado.alves@netcabo.pt> wrote:
 
: The problem is that open source licensing is unadjusted to what you 
: really want (which is usually

Care to elaborate? How do you measure "usually"?

: to charge for certain uses of the 
: software) or to a fair rewarding of the authors.

Could it be that you have a problem selling _your_ software, imagining?
an open source license ? Fear of giving away your produce and getting
nothing back? Your choice, there is no universal law that requires all
software to be Free Software.

Obviously empirical facts do show that there are both closed source
and open source licensing schemes, as well as mixed schemes. The
president of AdaCore has said, on c.l.ada, that you, Marius, could
pick GNAT and build a business around it. How do you _define_
business?

1  "protect your secrets and sell a license to use",
2  "show what you've got, in source, but not publicly, and charge money"
3  "make both sources and binaries freely available and charge for support."
4  "make binaries freely availably and influence people to
    become dependent on more expensive binaries later (MS technique)"
...

If you can't live with 3 then this is your choice. No need to resort
to pink hearts. (Obviously others differ successfully.)
For serious use of most software products other than consumer
products for those kids who have been brought up with software "sharing",
you are well advised to buy support anyway, no? So what empirical facts
can you show that there is no way to build a business around 
the mentioned licensing models, including GPLed software?

As for a request not to give newer compilers away, unstable
wave front products so to speak, who wants them?
Fans who must have the latest and greatest? And, please,
real data if you have.

Many recent additions to GNAT are available in
GCC, the GPS snapshot binaries have recent source code in them,
the latest Ada enabled GDB is available from the libre site,
so what's your point?

-- Georg



  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-10-06 18:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-09-29  2:48 GWindows and a future home for it Fionn mac Cuimhaill
2004-09-29  2:53 ` stephane richard
2004-09-29  7:20   ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-29 12:40 ` Chris Humphries
2004-09-29 15:21   ` stephane richard
2004-09-29 19:12     ` Chris Humphries
2004-09-30  0:03 ` Stephen Leake
2004-09-30  1:39   ` stephane richard
2004-09-30  3:29   ` Fionn mac Cuimhaill
     [not found]     ` <mailman.141.1096581654.390.comp.lang.ada@ada-france.org>
2004-09-30 23:32       ` Randy Brukardt
2004-10-01  1:28     ` Stephen Leake
2004-10-01  1:39       ` stephane richard
2004-10-01  6:43       ` Fionn mac Cuimhaill
     [not found]     ` <umzz75se6.fsf@acm.org>
2004-10-01 10:48       ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-01 14:49         ` Fionn mac Cuimhaill
2004-10-01 15:39           ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-01 15:50             ` stephane richard
2004-10-01 16:25               ` Chris Humphries
2004-10-01 17:09                 ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-10-21 17:12                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-10-21 18:02                     ` Coupling or not coupling database and GUI libraries (was: GWindows and a future home for it) Ludovic Brenta
2004-10-21 21:11                       ` Coupling or not coupling database and GUI libraries Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-10-22  2:36                       ` Coupling or not coupling database and GUI libraries (was: GWindows and a future home for it) David Botton
2004-10-02  2:01             ` GWindows and a future home for it Fionn mac Cuimhaill
2004-09-30 14:40   ` Nick Roberts
2004-09-30 15:22     ` stephane richard
2004-10-01 19:52       ` Nick Roberts
2004-09-30 16:55     ` tmoran
2004-09-30 22:17   ` Stephen McNeill
2004-09-30 22:48     ` stephane richard
2004-10-01 16:34   ` Björn Persson
2004-10-01 16:58   ` AndreS
2004-10-01 18:08     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-10-01 18:16       ` Randy Brukardt
2004-10-01 23:20         ` tmoran
2004-10-02  0:45         ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-10-03 17:23           ` David Botton
2004-10-04 22:10         ` Randy Brukardt
2004-10-01 18:40       ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-03 22:45         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-10-04 13:01           ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-04 21:05             ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-10-06 10:13               ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-06 13:15                 ` David Botton
2004-10-06 14:35                   ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-06 15:07                     ` Hyman Rosen
2004-10-06 17:04                       ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-06 17:53                         ` Licenses and physical things Björn Persson
2004-10-06 18:02                         ` GWindows and a future home for it Hyman Rosen
2004-10-06 18:39                           ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-06 18:58                         ` Georg Bauhaus [this message]
2004-10-06 19:20                           ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-06 20:30                             ` Hyman Rosen
2004-10-06 21:28                               ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-06 21:40                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-10-07 11:50                     ` Marin David Condic
2004-10-07 14:33                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-10-06 13:19                 ` Gnat Pro and the GPL Björn Persson
2004-10-06 17:16                   ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-06 17:55                     ` Björn Persson
2004-10-06 18:18                       ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-06 19:02                         ` Hyman Rosen
2004-10-06 20:25                           ` Björn Persson
2004-10-07  6:07                             ` Florian Weimer
2004-10-07 16:00                               ` Björn Persson
2004-10-06 22:21                         ` CBFalconer
2004-10-06 18:04                     ` Hyman Rosen
     [not found]               ` <4163C54F.9050700@netcabo.pt>
2004-10-07  0:27                 ` GWindows and a future home for it Stephen Leake
2004-10-07  0:55                   ` stephane richard
2004-10-07 19:11                     ` Not redistributing GNAT Pro (was: GWindows and a home for it) Ludovic Brenta
2004-10-08  2:07                       ` Jeff C r e e.m
2004-10-08 16:50                         ` Not redistributing GNAT Pro Ludovic Brenta
2004-10-08 17:26                           ` Jeff C r e e.m
2004-10-09  2:27                           ` Brian May
2004-10-09 11:14                             ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-10-09  5:16                           ` CBFalconer
2004-10-09  9:57                             ` Jerry van Dijk
2004-10-08  5:53                       ` Not redistributing GNAT Pro (was: GWindows and a home for it) Simon Wright
2004-10-01 23:57     ` GWindows and a future home for it Stephen Leake
2004-10-02  3:06     ` Fionn mac Cuimhaill
2004-10-02  7:13       ` tmoran
2004-10-03 16:22         ` James E. Hopper
2004-10-03 19:03         ` Future of Ada volunteer efforts David Botton
2004-10-03 23:31           ` stephane richard
2004-09-30  0:13 ` GWindows Database time type Stephen Leake
2004-09-30  4:31   ` Fionn mac Cuimhaill
2004-10-01  0:57     ` Stephen Leake
2004-10-01  1:44       ` stephane richard
2004-10-01  3:04         ` Randy Brukardt
2004-10-01 10:07           ` stephane richard
2004-09-30 18:44   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-10-21 17:29     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-10-22  2:32       ` David Botton
2004-10-22 16:46         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-10-21 17:26   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-10-03 15:41 ` AdaPower and GWindows community effort drive David Botton
2004-10-03 16:45   ` stephane richard
2004-10-03 17:29     ` David Botton
2004-10-03 17:38       ` stephane richard
2004-10-03 19:10         ` David Botton
2004-10-04  2:12       ` Stephen Leake
2004-10-04  2:21         ` stephane richard
2004-10-04 13:25         ` David Botton
2004-10-04  2:37   ` Fionn mac Cuimhaill
2004-10-04  2:49     ` stephane richard
2004-10-04 13:44     ` David Botton
2004-10-05  1:25       ` David Botton
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2004-10-07  6:20 GWindows and a future home for it Robert C. Leif
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