From: Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: State of the compiler market
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2017 11:42:18 -0500
Date: 2017-03-07T11:42:18-05:00 [thread overview]
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On Mon, 6 Mar 2017 15:15:34 -0800 (PST), john@mccabe.org.uk declaimed the
following:
>I remember being at a presentation where Joyce Tokar was talking about the contract Tartan had to support their Ada compiler for 25 years or something on (I think) some Raptor system; I think that might've been 1994 or 1995. Presumably there is still some support for it, either from Tartan Software, Inc, for the TMS320C3x and C4x, or DDC-I for the M68K, i960 and Mil-Std-1750A but it looks like none of those even do Ada95.
Not really a surprise... In the realms of avionics and likely other
high-integrity fields, even patching a compiler bug requires
recertification of that compiler (though the recert may only need to study
the section affected by the fix and take credit for previous certification
for the rest) -- along with subsequent recertification of the applications
produced by that compiler. Changing compiler on the level of Ada-83 to
Ada-95 and recertifying the entire software chain would be extremely
costly.
As an example -- it is cheaper to get a Windows box with an emulator
(Charon-VAX) certified in order to run a previously certified OpenVMS and
Ada-83 cross-development system than to convert the development to a new
Ada compiler running on a different OS and recertify everything (sure, the
application still gets certified for each updates, but that's working from
a known base).
Afterall, the lifecycle of the target hardware is easily expected to be
20-40 years.
--
Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber AF6VN
wlfraed@ix.netcom.com HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/
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2017-02-23 0:26 State of the compiler market john
2017-02-23 3:17 ` Luke A. Guest
2017-02-23 5:16 ` Per Sandberg
2017-02-23 6:01 ` gautier_niouzes
2017-02-23 9:01 ` joakimds
2017-02-23 18:03 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2017-02-24 9:23 ` Per Sandberg
2017-02-24 9:32 ` Paul Rubin
2017-02-23 21:22 ` Randy Brukardt
2017-02-24 16:36 ` john
2017-02-25 10:48 ` Ingo M.
2017-02-25 11:07 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2017-02-25 14:25 ` Ingo M.
2017-02-25 17:30 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2017-02-25 11:29 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-02-25 13:46 ` G.B.
2017-02-25 14:46 ` Ingo M.
2017-02-25 15:21 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-02-25 15:49 ` Ingo M.
2017-02-25 16:11 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-02-25 19:03 ` G.B.
2017-02-26 0:11 ` Luke A. Guest
2017-02-26 8:44 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-02-26 0:20 ` Luke A. Guest
2017-02-26 2:26 ` Randy Brukardt
2017-02-26 9:14 ` Paul Rubin
2017-02-26 17:35 ` antispam
2017-02-26 22:32 ` Paul Rubin
2017-02-27 2:38 ` antispam
2017-02-27 2:54 ` Paul Rubin
2017-02-27 3:54 ` antispam
2017-02-28 20:51 ` Randy Brukardt
2017-02-28 21:29 ` Luke A. Guest
2017-03-01 8:43 ` reinkor
2017-03-01 14:20 ` Adacore and licensing (again), was: " Simon Clubley
2017-03-01 17:02 ` reinert
2017-03-01 18:34 ` Simon Clubley
2017-03-05 19:38 ` Robert Eachus
2017-03-05 23:17 ` Luke A. Guest
2017-03-06 1:12 ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2017-03-06 2:56 ` Robert Eachus
2017-03-07 20:47 ` Simon Clubley
2017-03-08 0:23 ` Lucretia
2017-03-08 10:26 ` Simon Wright
2017-03-01 14:28 ` volkert
2017-03-01 15:01 ` J-P. Rosen
2017-03-01 16:05 ` G.B.
2017-03-06 23:15 ` john
2017-03-07 16:42 ` Dennis Lee Bieber [this message]
2017-06-27 8:29 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2017-06-28 10:40 ` Lucretia
2017-06-28 11:44 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-06-28 13:54 ` Luke A. Guest
2017-06-28 14:16 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-06-29 1:26 ` Shark8
2017-06-29 5:46 ` gautier_niouzes
2017-06-29 11:36 ` Lucretia
2017-06-29 12:23 ` gautier_niouzes
2017-06-29 12:50 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-06-29 14:47 ` Lucretia
2017-06-29 17:23 ` G.B.
2017-06-29 18:27 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2017-06-29 19:04 ` Lucretia
2017-06-29 19:01 ` Lucretia
2017-06-30 5:27 ` J-P. Rosen
2017-06-30 7:18 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-06-30 7:34 ` J-P. Rosen
2017-06-30 8:10 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-06-30 10:10 ` J-P. Rosen
2017-06-30 10:53 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-06-30 7:51 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2017-06-30 8:20 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-06-30 11:11 ` Lucretia
2017-06-30 11:23 ` Lucretia
2017-06-29 12:57 ` Petter Fryklund
2017-06-30 13:57 ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2017-06-30 14:19 ` Lucretia
2017-07-01 8:06 ` darkestkhan
2017-07-01 9:17 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-02-26 10:14 ` Dirk Craeynest
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