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From: "Warren W. Gay VE3WWG" <warren@ve3wwg.tk>
Subject: Re: Manifesto against Vector
Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 12:25:46 -0400
Date: 2004-05-07T12:25:46-04:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cMOmc.90213$ZJ5.1968486@news20.bellglobal.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <na0k90h8oii6063v7n6u5mmib5v20b2emh@4ax.com>

Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:
> On Thu, 6 May 2004 09:03:54 +0200, "Jean-Pierre Rosen"
> <rosen@adalog.fr> wrote:
>>Since you asked for it... (but I'll try to have reasonable objections).
>>Note that I am known for being strongly *in favor* of the use clause.
>>
>>I would strongly oppose this proposal for a very simple reason: it defeats the main goal of having separated with from use.
>>With is a library level clause; it tells: "this unit, somewhere needs that unit".
> 
> Why that should be told? I'd say that "with" is superfluous.

Not really, for two reasons:

1. Readability
2. The use of USE is not manditory (and arguably should
    be used with care)

Since WITH can only be used at the start of the source
code, it becomes a very big plus in _readability_. With a quick
inspection of a spec/body, you can be certain of the references
(or not) to other units.

USE on the other hand, may appear in numerous other places, or
not at all. For example, I may WITH Ada.Text_IO, and never USE
it. I may just code Ada.Text_IO.Put_Line etc.

While one might be tempted to suggest that WITH references may be
deduced from USE clauses, this is not always true. This is
because USE clauses may not be used at all.
-- 
Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
http://ve3wwg.tk




  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-05-07 16:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-05-04  3:20 Manifesto against Vector Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-05-04 16:30 ` chris
2004-05-04 17:19   ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-05-04 20:40     ` Peter C. Chapin
2004-05-04 20:58       ` Xenos
2004-05-07  8:05         ` Ranges in C++ Martin Krischik
2004-05-07 23:18           ` James Rogers
2004-05-08  6:45             ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-10 16:19             ` Xenos
2004-05-10 18:04               ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-10 19:03                 ` Xenos
2004-05-11  5:59                   ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-04 17:16 ` Manifesto against Vector Jeffrey Carter
2004-05-04 18:24   ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-05-04 19:17     ` Xenos
2004-05-04 19:53       ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-05-05  9:24       ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-05  5:28     ` Russ
2004-05-05  7:01       ` tmoran
2004-05-05 17:37       ` Martin Dowie
2004-05-06  3:42         ` Russ
2004-05-06  5:55           ` Martin Dowie
2004-05-06  7:03           ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-05-06  9:29             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-06  9:41               ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2004-05-06 12:44                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-06 13:30                   ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2004-05-06 14:35                     ` Wes Groleau
2004-05-07  8:23                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-07 12:38                       ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2004-05-09 20:34                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-10  8:26                           ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2004-05-10 12:13                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-06 14:48                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-07  8:31                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-07 14:30                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-09 20:33                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-12 19:49                       ` Randy Brukardt
2004-05-07  7:01                   ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-06  9:55               ` with and use again (was: Manifesto against Vector) Marius Amado Alves
2004-05-06 12:04                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-07  6:53                   ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-09 20:33                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-10  7:00                       ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-10 12:15                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-07 16:27                 ` with and use again Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-05-06 19:53               ` Manifesto against Vector Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-05-07  0:42                 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-05-07  6:49                   ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-05-07 18:20                     ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-05-07 19:15                       ` Simon Wright
2004-05-10  6:49                       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-05-10 17:25                         ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-05-11 13:25                           ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-05-07  5:00               ` Simon Wright
2004-05-07  6:40               ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-07 16:25               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG [this message]
2004-05-07  6:33             ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-06 14:28           ` Wes Groleau
2004-05-07  5:15             ` Russ
2004-05-10 11:55               ` Martin Dowie
2004-05-12 19:44                 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-05-12 19:42               ` Randy Brukardt
2004-05-13  5:23                 ` Russ
2004-05-13  5:48                   ` Randy Brukardt
2004-05-13 14:43                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-05-14  1:02                     ` Russ
2004-05-07  6:29           ` with use - again [Was: Manifesto against Vector] Martin Krischik
2004-05-07 11:18             ` Manuel Collado
2004-05-07 14:37               ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-07 13:41             ` Mark Lorenzen
2004-05-07 13:06               ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-05 19:45       ` Manifesto against Vector Marius Amado Alves
2004-05-04 18:42   ` Ada.Containers names Marius Amado Alves
2004-05-05 23:21   ` Manifesto against Vector Robert I. Eachus
2004-05-07  4:55 ` Matthew Heaney
2004-05-10  4:10   ` Matthew Heaney
2004-05-12  7:41     ` Pascal Obry
2004-05-12 12:11       ` Matthew Heaney
2004-05-12 12:50       ` Matthew Heaney
2004-05-10  6:41 ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-10 17:41   ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-05-11  1:29     ` Matthew Heaney
2004-05-11 20:53       ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
     [not found]       ` <XRVrJe0vzF@VB1162.spb.edu>
2004-05-11 22:26         ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-05-11  5:55     ` Martin Krischik
     [not found] <PnHmmb05QD@VB1162.spb.edu>
2004-05-04  9:07 ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-05-04 13:08   ` (see below)
2004-05-04 15:16     ` Martin Dowie
2004-05-05 13:21       ` Kevin Hostelley
2004-05-05 13:53         ` Georg Bauhaus
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