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From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: No call for Ada
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:29:20 +0200
Date: 2004-04-12T12:29:20+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c5dr2u$gkic$1@ID-77047.news.uni-berlin.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 97fec.680$P%3.261@newsfe1-win

chris wrote:

> Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:
>> Andrew Carroll wrote:
>>>
>>>I'm not sure if your saying that governments need to verify all software
>>>that goes to market, sort of like the FDA approves medications
>> 
>> There are different ways. Don't you agree that the software which fault
>> may lead to loss of human life shall be approved? For the rest it would
>> be enough to require some level of liability for commercial software
>> depending on its price and application area.
> 
> I sort of agree, however we all know any significant software will
> contain bugs no matter what you do so liability may not be the best way
> with respect to commercial software, unless it's in terms of negligance,
> for the foreseeable future.

There are different kinds of bugs. When I buy shoes I do not expect to use
them for the rest of my life. One could specify which kinds of software
defects are admissible and which are not.

> Perhaps the licensing of software engineers
> is the way to go on this.  i.e. if the software engineer is licensed
> they meet certain standards they are fit to work on projects.

I think that more important would be to license software firms. ISO-2000 is
a rubbish, but the idea was right.

> The problem is deciding who sets the criteria and who enforces it.

Law-makers prepare a legal basis, the government creates a body, judges send
Billy to jail. (:-))

> I wouldn't mind being licensed, infact it's probably one of the few ways
> you could make software without making it too risky for companies to
> develop it.

You mean to push the responsibility down to software engineers. No I think
that companies have to be liable for what they sell. Whether they choose to
employ licensed engineers to minimise risk, it is their business. Though in
some application areas it might be required by law.

> Lots of people won't like it though, especially programmers
> because everybody knows programming is a bit of witchcraft and art, that
> it's their god given right to code and it all just 'works'. ;)

We have an excellent field for those who want to apply their skills without
being responsible for the results. It's the free software movement.

-- 
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
www.dmitry-kazakov.de



  reply	other threads:[~2004-04-12 10:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20040409115529.8C0D24C412B@lovelace.ada-france.org>
2004-04-09 19:01 ` No call for Ada Andrew Carroll
2004-04-09 20:19   ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-14 14:29     ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-04-10 10:48   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-11 17:23     ` chris
2004-04-12 10:29       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2004-04-10 19:27 No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping Wes Groleau
2004-04-10 20:06 ` tmoran
2004-04-10 21:38   ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-12 22:34     ` Randy Brukardt
2004-04-14 11:41       ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-14 14:12         ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-04-14 17:52           ` No call for Ada Jeffrey Carter
2004-04-15 16:17             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-04-08 12:44 Lionel.DRAGHI
     [not found] <20040408081031.D01934C4136@lovelace.ada-france.org>
2004-04-08  9:44 ` Andrew Carroll
     [not found] <20040206174017.7E84F4C4114@lovelace.ada-france.org>
2004-02-07  8:50 ` No call for it Carroll-Tech
2004-02-07 13:00   ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Ludovic Brenta
2004-02-07 19:24     ` MSG
2004-02-08  3:15       ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-02 23:18         ` Beth Bruzan
2004-04-03  0:08           ` David Starner
2004-04-03  9:13             ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-03 11:51               ` Martin Krischik
2004-04-03 22:26                 ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-04 10:00                   ` Florian Weimer
2004-04-05 18:07                     ` No call for Ada Marc A. Criley
2004-04-05 21:16                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-06 11:00                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-05 22:09                       ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-05 22:20                       ` chris
2004-04-06 13:25                         ` Marc A. Criley
2004-04-07  1:17                           ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-04-03 13:06           ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Marin David Condic
2004-04-03 14:12             ` James Rogers
2004-04-03 14:29               ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-03 16:54                 ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-03 19:46                   ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-05 12:10                     ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-05 20:38                       ` Randy Brukardt
2004-04-06 11:59                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-06 19:07                           ` Randy Brukardt
2004-04-07  0:31                             ` David Starner
2004-04-07 17:40                               ` Pascal Obry
2004-04-07 22:14                                 ` David Starner
2004-04-07 22:44                                   ` Ed Falis
2004-04-07 23:06                                     ` Szymon Guz
2004-04-08 17:34                                       ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototypinglanguage) Marius Amado Alves
2004-04-08 11:46                                         ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-04-08 13:53                                           ` No call for Ada Samuel Tardieu
2004-04-08  1:58             ` Berend de Boer
     [not found] <20040407175513.BABA64C410A@lovelace.ada-france.org>
2004-04-07 21:20 ` Andrew Carroll
2004-04-08  6:39   ` Pascal Obry
2004-04-08  9:36   ` Martin Krischik
     [not found] ` <001b01c41ce6$206bad80$0201a8c0@win>
2004-04-08  7:07   ` Marius Amado Alves
     [not found] <20040406215514.474514C410D@lovelace.ada-france.org>
2004-04-06 23:42 ` Andrew Carroll
2004-04-07  1:13   ` Ed Falis
2004-04-07  7:06   ` Martin Krischik
2004-04-08 12:39     ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-08 16:58       ` Martin Krischik
2004-04-07 13:46   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-06  8:17 No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-07  2:15 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-07  9:34   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-07 11:38     ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-08  9:59       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-08 20:46         ` No call for Ada Marius Amado Alves
2004-04-09 11:26           ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-09 15:50             ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-09 11:34           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
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