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From: "Dan'l Miller" <optikos@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Why are Ada compilers difficult to write ?
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2018 18:03:28 -0700 (PDT)
Date: 2018-06-22T18:03:28-07:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c5a7fd8a-ebb8-4bcf-ae53-905b3019464b@googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <145294063.551401932.678101.laguest-archeia.com@nntp.aioe.org>

On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 6:15:45 PM UTC-5, Luke A. Guest wrote:
> Dan'l Miller <> wrote:
> 
> > Writing a compiler in OP refers to both 
> 
> OP???

the original posting of this thread; the original poster's posting that started this thread

> > writing it from scratch as well as maintenance over the years.  All of
> > the Ada compilers listed on that antiquated page are in various stages of
> > broken links, out of business, and no longer supporting Z80 in recent •decades•.
> > 
> 
> Well, the Z80 is no longer supported, you can at least still buy them. I
> have one sitting in my desk ready to be put into a retroputer.

Which is a little ironic that antiquated hot slow limited-RAM power-slurping hardware at the heart of the CP/M era and the Timex/Sinclair era outlived the Ada-compiler software of the same era.  Who would've predicted that?  Thus demonstrating once again:  bit-rot in software is real.

Speaking of retrocomputers, there was a point many years ago at which Zilog notified its customers of the Z8000 (the 16-bit version of the Z80) of the last-time buy manufacturing run.  I once worked for the telecom company that was one of those Z8000 customers who received that last-time-buy notice.  They sent a quite official response, in person to Zilog's C-level executives, I think:  hey Zilog, speaking of last-time-buy for the Z8000, we assume that this is the last-time-buy for the masks too.  We'd like to buy the Z8000 masks & all related fab data to manufacture Z8000s ourselves henceforth.

… And that is how the Air Force started buying Z8000s during the 1990s from that telecom equipment manufacturer instead of from Zilog.

> > * e.g., 64 KiB DRAM address space; clock rate of single-digit or tens of megahertz
> > 
> > Various ports of GCC to Z80 exist, but they seem to focus exclusively on
> > C-proper, instead of on C++ or Ada.
> > 
> 
> The ports are in various states of broken-ness as well. None are up to
> date, all are partially done. Believe me I’ve looked.

I can understand phasing Alpha and VAX and National Semiconductor 32032 ISAs out of modern GCC because each is no longer manufactured, but I think that every compiler should support every processor on the planet that is manufactured •today•.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-06-23  1:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-06-19 21:33 Why are Ada compilers difficult to write ? Vincent
2018-06-19 21:43 ` Paul Rubin
2018-06-19 22:11   ` Lucretia
2018-06-24 17:33     ` Paul Rubin
2018-06-24 17:39       ` Lucretia
2018-06-19 22:01 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2018-06-19 22:18   ` Lucretia
2018-06-21 14:02     ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2018-06-21 17:20       ` Lucretia
2018-06-19 22:17 ` Lucretia
2018-06-19 22:34 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-22 13:01   ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-06-20  8:33 ` gautier_niouzes
2018-06-20 15:54 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2018-06-20 17:54   ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-20 18:18     ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-20 18:58     ` Luke A. Guest
2018-06-20 19:37       ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-20 19:39         ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-20 19:50         ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-20 21:26         ` Luke A. Guest
2018-06-27 14:19         ` Olivier Henley
2018-06-27 15:34           ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-27 16:26             ` Olivier Henley
2018-06-27 16:50               ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-27 17:53                 ` Olivier Henley
2018-06-27 18:49                   ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-28 11:54                     ` Mehdi Saada
2018-06-29  3:34                 ` Paul Rubin
2018-06-29 16:36                 ` G. B.
2018-06-29 17:02                   ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-21 10:44     ` Marius Amado-Alves
2018-06-21 12:45       ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-21 21:08         ` Paul Rubin
2018-06-21 21:42           ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-21 22:01             ` Simon Wright
2018-06-21 23:04               ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-22  0:20                 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-22  3:41                 ` Paul Rubin
2018-06-29 21:19                   ` Randy Brukardt
2018-06-22  3:44                 ` Paul Rubin
2018-06-22 21:57                   ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-22 23:15                     ` Luke A. Guest
2018-06-23  1:03                       ` Dan'l Miller [this message]
2018-06-23  1:49                         ` Luke A. Guest
2018-06-23  2:54                           ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-23 14:48                             ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2018-06-23 14:41                         ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2018-06-25  5:55                           ` Simon Clubley
2018-06-29 21:22                     ` Randy Brukardt
2018-06-22  3:31             ` Paul Rubin
2018-06-22 16:44         ` antispam
2018-06-22 13:11     ` Lucretia
2018-06-22 17:10       ` Simon Clubley
2018-06-22 18:00         ` Lucretia
2018-06-25  5:48           ` Simon Clubley
2018-06-25  8:46             ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-06-25 13:23             ` Lucretia
2018-06-25 17:24               ` Simon Clubley
2018-06-25 14:59             ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-25 17:32               ` Simon Clubley
2018-06-29 21:26             ` Randy Brukardt
2018-06-23  5:56         ` J-P. Rosen
2018-06-23 12:44           ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-23 16:14             ` Shark8
2018-06-23 18:12               ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-23 18:47                 ` Shark8
2018-06-23 19:35                   ` Simon Wright
2018-06-25  8:51               ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-06-24 13:41             ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2018-06-25  6:04               ` Simon Clubley
2018-06-25  6:31                 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2018-06-25 13:27               ` Lucretia
2018-06-25 20:07                 ` Dirk Craeynest
2018-06-28 12:08                   ` Vincent
2018-06-28 12:21                     ` Simon Wright
2018-06-28 12:24                     ` Luke A. Guest
2018-06-28 12:41                     ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-28 14:43                     ` J-P. Rosen
2018-06-28 18:26                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-29 21:35               ` Randy Brukardt
2018-06-29 21:29         ` Randy Brukardt
2018-06-21 17:42 ` Pascal Obry
2018-06-21 20:18   ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-22  5:01     ` J-P. Rosen
2018-06-22  7:16       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-22 11:46       ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-22 12:11         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-22 12:35           ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-22 15:55             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-29 21:43         ` Randy Brukardt
2018-06-25 15:33 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-10-01 18:09 ` Tucker Taft
2018-10-01 18:51   ` Lucretia
2018-10-02 12:58     ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-10-02 14:23       ` Lucretia
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