YACT (Yet Another C Trap)

YACT (Yet Another C Trap)

[mockturtle]

Found in a comment by a Swedish guy (they use "," in float, not ".")
in
http://embeddedgurus.com/stack-overflow/2010/08/a-foreign-perspective-on-variable-names/


int x = 10,000; // oops, it will compile, perhaps even without
warnings. Happy debugging!

Re: YACT (Yet Another C Trap)

[Shark8]

On Aug 21, 3:32 am, mockturtle <framefri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Found in a comment by a Swedish guy (they use "," in float, not ".")
> inhttp://embeddedgurus.com/stack-overflow/2010/08/a-foreign-perspective...
>
> int x = 10,000; // oops, it will compile, perhaps even without
> warnings. Happy debugging!

Ouch... just ouch.

Re: YACT (Yet Another C Trap)

[Maciej Sobczak]

On 21 Sie, 11:32, mockturtle <framefri...@gmail.com> wrote:

> int x = 10,000; // oops, it will compile, perhaps even without
> warnings. Happy debugging!

Did you actually tried or are just repeating unchecked nonsense?
The above example is explicitly handled (forbidden) by both C and C++
standards - comma has special meaning in declarators.

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Re: YACT (Yet Another C Trap)

[stefan-lucks]

On Sun, 29 Aug 2010, Maciej Sobczak wrote:

> > int x = 10,000; // oops, it will compile, perhaps even without
> > warnings. Happy debugging!
> 
> Did you actually tried or are just repeating unchecked nonsense?
> The above example is explicitly handled (forbidden) by both C and C++
> standards - comma has special meaning in declarators.

I tried it out. The above example gives an error. But the following 
program compiles without warnings with gcc:

#include <stdio.h>
int main (int argc, char **argv)
{ float x;

    x = 12,3;

    if (x > 12.1) printf("greater"); else printf("smaller or equal");
  printf(" than 12.1.\n");
}

Here is what it does:

> gcc flaw.c    
> ./a.out
smaller or equal than 12.1.

Is this a language flaw of C, or a bug in gcc?


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Re: YACT (Yet Another C Trap)

[Maciej Sobczak]

On 30 Sie, 10:21, stefan-lu...@see-the.signature wrote:

> I tried it out. The above example gives an error. But the following
> program compiles without warnings with gcc:
>
> #include <stdio.h>
> int main (int argc, char **argv)
> { float x;
>
>     x = 12,3;

> Is this a language flaw of C, or a bug in gcc?

It is a language flaw for two reasons: one is that the language should
not allow you to initialize floating-point values with integers and
the other is that the comma operator for fundamental types is nonsense
[*]. :-)

[*] But there are quite nice ways to use it for custom types.

In any case, the above code violates the coding standard that
discourages the use of unnamed numeric constants. Constants should be
named (with notable exception of 0 and 1), which would bring you back
to compile-time error. You might still argue that the need for such a
coding standard indicates a flaw in the language anyway.

Note that the above problem has many more interesting implications,
especially when combined with other flaws:

float f = 10.0f;

f = f * 1,5;

Go figure what it does (and I can bet that your guess will be
wrong). ;-)

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Re: YACT (Yet Another C Trap)

[stefan-lucks]

On Mon, 30 Aug 2010, stefan-lucks@see-the.signature wrote:

> #include <stdio.h>
> int main (int argc, char **argv)
> { float x;
> 
>     x = 12,3;
> 
>     if (x > 12.1) printf("greater"); else printf("smaller or equal");
>   printf(" than 12.1.\n");
> }
> 
> Here is what it does:
> 
> > gcc flaw.c    
> > ./a.out
> smaller or equal than 12.1.

P.S.: Even gcc -Wall doesn't warn about the flawed ",". It just tells me 
"control reaches end of non-void function" (my main function should return 
an integer, but it doesn't).

> gcc -Wall flaw.c
flaw.c: In function 'main':
flaw.c:9: warning: control reaches end of non-void function

> Is this a language flaw of C, or a bug in gcc?

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Re: YACT (Yet Another C Trap)

[Peter C. Chapin]

On 2010-08-30 04:28, stefan-lucks@see-the.signature wrote:

> P.S.: Even gcc -Wall doesn't warn about the flawed ",". It just tells me 
> "control reaches end of non-void function" (my main function should return 
> an integer, but it doesn't).

In the expression statement

	x = 12,3;

first 12 is assigned to x and then the expression '3' is evaluated, the
result of which is ignored. It has a similar effect to

	x = 12;
	3;

except that it is one statement instead of two. The key point here is
that the comma operator has lower precedence than even assignment. In C
a statement can just be an expression followed by a semicolon. Since it
is legal to write expressions that have no side effects you can do
things like

	a + b;

Given your original code ('x = 12,3') the Open Watcom C compiler issues
the warning, "Expression is only useful for its side effects." It's a
strange warning in some ways since the problem here is that the
expression in question ('3') has no side effects.

Ada avoids these problems because in Ada you can't just put a semicolon
at the end of an expression to make a statement (assignment isn't an
operator in Ada).

Peter