From: M E Leypold <development-2006-8ecbb5cc8aREMOVETHIS@ANDTHATm-e-leypold.de>
Subject: Re: Ada in Debian: most libraries will switch to the pure GPL in Etch
Date: 27 Jun 2006 17:38:28 +0200
Date: 2006-06-27T17:38:28+02:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <bwirmmmwwb.fsf@hod.lan.m-e-leypold.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1151422118.772405.307200@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
"Ludovic Brenta" <ludovic@ludovic-brenta.org> writes:
> Dr. Adrian Wrigley wrote :
> > On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 03:58:40 -0700, Ludovic Brenta wrote:
> >
> > > I received detailed answers from AdaCore's Robert Dewar and Arnaud
> > > Charlet regarding the licenses of software downloaded from their
> > > servers. In summary:
> > >
> > > - All software downloaded from AdaCore is pure GPL, no matter what the
> > > headers say.
> > >
> > > - This also applies to software downloaded from the CVS server in
> > > source-only form.
> > >
> > > - They refuse to give any assurances regarding copyright ownership, so
> > > I feel that I now need to go ask the authors.
> > >
> > > - They will not sign a license document, even if a lawyer asked them
> > > (they are not required to sign anything, of course).
> >
> > I'm a little confused by all this...
> >
> > Can you tell us which combination of the following is true, from
> > what you understand:
> >
> > 1) the GMGPL licences issued by AdaCode and others are being revoked?
>
> Switched to pure GPL, not revoked. The "linking and generic
> instantiation" exception is revoked.
>
> > 2) AdaCore and others say they never granted licences under GMGPL?
>
> They don't say that, but they refuse to give details on when the switch
> took place. I don't know. Ask them. From a theoretical standpoint, I am
> indeed quite worried that I have downloaded and redistributed AdaCore's
Considering that act-europe.fr carried the GMGPL license notice for
GtkAda et al until 2005/2 at least, there is nothing to worry about
(except the attitude of ACT).
> software, thinking in good faith I had the right to do so when in
> fact I didn't, since I didn't have written permission from any of
> the copyright holders. Remember, the headers amount to naught from a
> legal perspective.
They say.
> Practically speaking, I don't think AdaCore will sue me,
> or anyone else, for that. IANAL.
IANAL2.
>
> > 3) the licences were granted and are still in force?
>
> I don't know. I asked but they wouldn't go into specifics. Ask them for
> yourself, if you're concerned.
>
> > 4) all licencing terms embedded in the distributions are repudiated?
>
> They never had any legal force; only a signed statement from the
> copyright holder has legal force.
They say.
>
> > 5) the SW is Free (in http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html terms)?
>
> Yes, since it is under GPL. That much they are willing to say and
> certify, but not in writing :(
So they will take even that back in 2 years from now? ...
Regards -- Markus
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2006-06-27 10:58 Ada in Debian: most libraries will switch to the pure GPL in Etch Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-27 11:48 ` AdaCore ... the Next SCO? Jeffrey Creem
2006-06-27 13:13 ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-27 15:16 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 20:14 ` Simon Wright
2006-06-28 20:26 ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-27 16:38 ` Martin Krischik
2006-06-27 17:58 ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-28 0:24 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 6:09 ` Simon Wright
2006-06-28 7:45 ` Martin Krischik
2006-06-28 13:07 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-29 17:07 ` Martin Krischik
2006-06-29 22:26 ` Simon Wright
2006-06-30 16:46 ` Martin Krischik
2006-07-01 8:20 ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-07-02 12:10 ` Martin Krischik
2006-06-28 20:26 ` Simon Wright
2006-06-29 17:45 ` Stephen Leake
2006-06-30 8:55 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 7:28 ` Martin Krischik
2006-06-28 8:07 ` No relicense everything now! (was: Re: AdaCore ... the Next SCO?) Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-28 13:14 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-29 17:53 ` AdaCore ... the Next SCO? Stephen Leake
2006-06-29 20:31 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2006-06-30 8:40 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-30 15:19 ` Stephen Leake
2006-06-29 22:06 ` Jeffrey Creem
2006-06-30 8:46 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-30 15:21 ` Stephen Leake
2006-06-28 0:18 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 20:12 ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-28 22:45 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 21:54 ` Björn Persson
2006-06-28 22:57 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 6:06 ` Simon Wright
2006-06-28 7:49 ` Martin Krischik
2006-06-29 17:43 ` Stephen Leake
2006-06-27 23:10 ` Jeffrey Creem
2006-06-28 2:23 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-29 17:40 ` Stephen Leake
2006-06-27 15:00 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-27 18:49 ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-28 0:06 ` M E Leypold
2006-07-03 22:22 ` Hyman Rosen
2006-07-03 23:58 ` M E Leypold
2006-07-04 10:19 ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-07-04 22:13 ` M E Leypold
2006-07-04 18:55 ` Hyman Rosen
2006-07-04 20:29 ` Simon Wright
2006-07-04 22:34 ` M E Leypold
2006-07-04 22:20 ` M E Leypold
2006-07-14 13:11 ` Hyman Rosen
2006-07-14 15:14 ` michael bode
2006-07-14 19:58 ` M E Leypold
2006-07-17 20:13 ` Hyman Rosen
2006-07-17 21:24 ` Michael Bode
2006-07-17 22:23 ` Hyman Rosen
2006-07-18 0:38 ` M E Leypold
2006-07-18 7:40 ` michael bode
2006-07-18 10:22 ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-07-18 11:55 ` michael bode
2006-07-18 19:46 ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-07-18 19:55 ` Michael Bode
2006-07-18 10:58 ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-07-18 11:35 ` Revocable or non-revocable licenses from AdaCore? (Re: AdaCore ... the Next SCO?) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2006-07-18 20:37 ` Samuel Tardieu
2006-07-18 12:55 ` AdaCore ... the Next SCO? michael bode
2006-07-18 13:26 ` Marius Amado-Alves
2006-07-18 19:11 ` Michael Bode
2006-07-18 20:33 ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-07-20 21:55 ` Björn Persson
2006-07-18 14:22 ` Hyman Rosen
2006-06-28 14:27 ` Preben Randhol
2006-06-28 15:22 ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-28 15:36 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 20:18 ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-29 7:09 ` Preben Randhol
2006-06-29 20:01 ` Björn Persson
2006-06-30 8:52 ` M E Leypold
2006-07-03 22:02 ` Hyman Rosen
2006-07-03 23:55 ` M E Leypold
2006-07-04 18:07 ` Michael Bode
2006-07-04 22:18 ` M E Leypold
2006-07-18 10:18 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2006-06-28 5:58 ` Simon Wright
2006-06-28 13:04 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-29 22:46 ` Simon Wright
2006-06-30 7:01 ` Martin Dowie
2006-07-01 8:48 ` Simon Wright
2006-06-30 8:39 ` M E Leypold
2006-07-01 8:58 ` Simon Wright
2006-06-27 13:46 ` Ada in Debian: most libraries will switch to the pure GPL in Etch Alex R. Mosteo
2006-06-27 14:40 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-27 14:52 ` What luck we had M E Leypold
2006-06-27 19:13 ` Pascal Obry
2006-06-28 13:39 ` Preben Randhol
2006-06-28 19:20 ` Michael Bode
2006-06-27 20:40 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2006-06-28 0:02 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-27 18:57 ` Ada in Debian: most libraries will switch to the pure GPL in Etch Ed Falis
2006-06-28 0:58 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 19:45 ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-27 21:10 ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-28 1:02 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-27 15:00 ` Dr. Adrian Wrigley
2006-06-27 15:28 ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-27 15:38 ` M E Leypold [this message]
2006-06-27 16:40 ` Dr. Adrian Wrigley
2006-06-27 17:45 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2006-06-27 21:18 ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-28 0:45 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 0:48 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 10:51 ` Dr. Adrian Wrigley
2006-06-28 11:14 ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-28 11:21 ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-28 12:41 ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-28 13:36 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 13:31 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 0:42 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 19:24 ` Simon Wright
2006-06-28 23:00 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-27 18:50 ` Michael Bode
2006-06-28 0:50 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-27 19:25 ` Michael Bode
2006-06-28 0:52 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-27 19:39 ` Florian Weimer
2006-06-27 20:47 ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-28 0:53 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 18:57 ` Florian Weimer
2006-06-28 13:50 ` Preben Randhol
2006-06-28 14:16 ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-28 19:14 ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-28 19:55 ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-28 19:54 ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-29 6:12 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2006-06-28 19:22 ` Simon Wright
2006-06-27 18:39 ` Michael Bode
2006-06-27 19:28 ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-27 19:39 ` Michael Bode
2006-06-27 20:09 ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-27 20:23 ` Michael Bode
2006-06-27 20:53 ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-27 22:53 ` Björn Persson
2006-06-28 5:11 ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-28 1:29 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 1:18 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 6:07 ` Michael Bode
2006-06-28 17:58 ` Frank J. Lhota
2006-06-28 18:17 ` Ed Falis
2006-06-28 18:55 ` Florian Weimer
2006-06-30 19:55 ` Preben Randhol
2006-06-28 18:57 ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-28 19:28 ` Frank J. Lhota
2006-06-28 19:38 ` Michael Bode
2006-06-28 19:17 ` Michael Bode
2006-06-28 20:48 ` Florian Weimer
2006-06-28 1:07 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-27 21:07 ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-27 21:19 ` Michael Bode
2006-06-28 1:40 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 1:35 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 11:57 ` Florian Weimer
2006-06-28 18:45 ` Michael Bode
2006-06-28 19:51 ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-28 20:46 ` Florian Weimer
2006-06-28 23:06 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-27 22:44 ` Simon Wright
2006-07-03 18:21 ` Matthew Goulet
2006-07-04 7:21 ` Ludovic Brenta
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2006-06-28 13:55 ` Carroll, Andrew
2006-06-28 19:57 ` Ludovic Brenta
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