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From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: Legit Warnings or not
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 11:03:34 +0200
Date: 2011-07-23T11:03:34+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <bvr7wfbofhal$.10mess7c3uv9j.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: j0d52c$qq2$1@munin.nbi.dk

On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 19:36:26 -0500, Randy Brukardt wrote:

> "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> wrote in message 
> news:1rx6dwrxmc81p.eazb4fjqztox$.dlg@40tude.net...
> ...
>> I think that Ada should not try to support this stuff.
> 
> Ada *does* support this stuff. As Adam noted, there are rules preventing the 
> creation of accesses/renames of/into components that might change size.

But it should not. Programmers expect types constructed by the compiler be
contiguous in their private view.

> There also are rules supporting allocation/deallocation of objects that have 
> multiple parts. So far as I know, those are the only rules needed to do so.

Meaningful X'Size? Expectations in an implementation of
Ada.Finalization.Adjust?

> There also are rules supporting allocation/deallocation of objects that have 
> multiple parts. So far as I know, those are the only rules needed to do so.

E.g. in a user-defined specific pool?

> And, as noted, Janus/Ada always has worked this way. I originally thought 
> Ada compilers were expected to work this way, because there is no good 
> reason not to support this as the default (as noted, some target 
> environments might not want such objects, and pragma Restrictions can surely 
> be used to prevent them from being generated). But apparently, implementers 
> are lazy enough to avoid it, and customers have never pushed hard enough to 
> get it added as an option.

As a customer I see that the language separates definite and indefinite
types. If this distinction is necessary, then the same logic applies to the
implementation. I prefer transparent and simple implementations in order to
know what to expect. In cases where I need referential semantics I prefer
to implement it by myself, rather than to rely on the compiler.

-- 
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de



  reply	other threads:[~2011-07-23  9:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-07-20 22:30 Legit Warnings or not Anh Vo
2011-07-20 23:16 ` Robert A Duff
2011-07-21 18:43   ` Anh Vo
2011-07-23  0:26   ` Randy Brukardt
2011-07-23 14:26     ` Robert A Duff
2011-07-21  2:37 ` Jeffrey Carter
2011-07-21  9:50   ` Brian Drummond
2011-07-21 14:39     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-07-23  0:36       ` Randy Brukardt
2011-07-23  9:03         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2011-07-23 11:07           ` Simon Wright
2011-07-23 11:21             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-07-26 21:25           ` Randy Brukardt
2011-07-27  7:45             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-07-28  0:37               ` Randy Brukardt
2011-07-28  9:22                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-07-28 14:22                   ` Robert A Duff
2011-07-28 14:41                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-07-28 15:10                       ` Robert A Duff
2011-07-28 17:05                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-07-28 23:32                           ` Randy Brukardt
2011-07-28 23:48                   ` Randy Brukardt
2011-07-29  6:57                     ` Simon Wright
2011-07-29 18:56                       ` Jeffrey Carter
2011-07-30  0:13                       ` Randy Brukardt
2011-07-29  7:41                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-07-30  0:17                       ` Randy Brukardt
2011-07-30  8:27                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-08-01 22:12                           ` Randy Brukardt
2011-08-02 10:01                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-08-02 21:30                               ` Randy Brukardt
2011-08-03  9:01                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-08-03 20:35                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2011-08-04  8:11                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-08-05 23:57                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2011-08-06  8:23                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-08-08 21:30                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2011-07-23 14:32         ` Robert A Duff
2011-07-26 21:32           ` Randy Brukardt
2011-07-21 15:28     ` Adam Beneschan
2011-07-21 15:41       ` Robert A Duff
2011-07-21 20:12         ` Adam Beneschan
2011-07-23  0:31           ` Randy Brukardt
2011-07-21 17:40     ` Jeffrey Carter
2011-07-21 21:30       ` Brian Drummond
2011-07-21 21:54         ` Adam Beneschan
2011-07-22 10:16           ` Brian Drummond
2011-07-22 14:54             ` Adam Beneschan
2011-07-23  0:46             ` Randy Brukardt
2011-07-23  0:42         ` Randy Brukardt
2011-07-23  9:20           ` Niklas Holsti
2011-08-04  5:56             ` David Thompson
2011-07-23  9:24           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-07-23 12:36           ` Brian Drummond
2011-07-21 15:13   ` Robert A Duff
2011-07-23  0:52     ` Randy Brukardt
2011-07-23 14:48       ` Robert A Duff
2011-07-21 14:17 ` anon
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