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From: "John R. Strohm" <strohm@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: Is the Writing on the Wall for Ada?
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 23:43:03 -0500
Date: 2003-09-09T23:43:03-05:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <bjmarc$ec9@library1.airnews.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: m3brtwobby.fsf@insalien.org

"Ludovic Brenta" <ludovic.brenta@skynet.be> wrote in message
news:m3brtwobby.fsf@insalien.org...
[snip]
> By contrast, Ada was designed by and for Real Programmers, and with
> low development costs as the main requirement, therefore it took the
> exact opposite approach; it had generics before inheritance,
> emphasises separation of interfaces from implementation for code
> reuse, and tries its best to detect errors as early as possible at
> compile time.  Ada is an engineer's dream and a vendor's nightmare.

One quibble.

Ada was not designed for low DEVELOPMENT costs.

Ada was designed for low SOFTWARE LIFECYCLE costs.

The key difference is that NET cost reduction over the entire software
lifecycle MAY require swallowing higher INITIAL costs.

As an extreme example: You can push just about anything through a C
compiler, and the compiler will swallow it and be happy.  Later, the system
will blow bits out the side of the box.  On the other hand, it can take a
lot more effort to get the Ada compiler to accept the equivalent program,
but MANY, MANY Ada programmers have learned, one at a time the old-fashioned
way, that, once you get the Ada compiler to swallow your source code and not
spit it back up, your code is ALMOST certain to work exactly the way you
want it to.

So you have traded increased compilation costs for decreased debugging,
test, and integration costs.  Since debugging, test, and integration
typically costs a LOT more than running the compiler, this is typically a
net win.





  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-09-10  4:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 492+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-09-06 21:47 Is the Writing on the Wall for Ada? Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-07  4:05 ` Wes Groleau
2003-09-07  4:59 ` Russ
2003-09-07  6:02   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-07  8:12     ` David Marceau
2003-09-07 10:17       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-07 14:31         ` Jerry van Dijk
2003-09-14 11:39           ` Alex Gibson
2003-09-08  7:49         ` olehjalmar kristensen - Sun Microsystems - Trondheim Norway
2003-09-08 18:37       ` svaa
2003-09-07 11:24     ` Russ
2003-09-07 19:01       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-07 19:41         ` Jerry van Dijk
2003-09-07 20:17         ` David C. Hoos
2003-09-07 21:45         ` Russ
2003-09-08  4:10           ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-08 18:35           ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-09  0:19             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-09  7:41               ` Russ
2003-09-11  2:59                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-08  5:09         ` Robert C. Leif
2003-09-08  9:54           ` Rod Chapman
2003-09-09  0:25           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-09  6:51             ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-09  7:33             ` Russ
2003-09-09  9:24               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-11  3:10               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-09  7:34             ` olehjalmar kristensen - Sun Microsystems - Trondheim Norway
2003-09-09 13:13               ` Ed Falis
2003-09-10  6:09                 ` Robert C. Leif
     [not found]                 ` <20030910060915.VSBE25714.mta015.verizon.net@smtp.covadmail.net>
2003-09-10 12:49                   ` Ed Falis
2003-09-09 23:48               ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-10  7:13                 ` olehjalmar kristensen - Sun Microsystems - Trondheim Norway
2003-09-11  1:39                   ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-10  7:48                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-14 21:44               ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-15  9:19                 ` olehjalmar kristensen - Sun Microsystems - Trondheim Norway
2003-09-15 23:31                   ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-16  0:26                     ` Ed Falis
2003-09-16  7:05                       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-09-16  1:46                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-16  2:52                       ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-16 17:29                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-17  0:50                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-17  1:25                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-22 14:33                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-22 15:26                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-23  8:04                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-23 12:24                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-23 13:29                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-23 13:38                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-23 14:07                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-23 14:36                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-23 14:47                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-23 15:09                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-24  2:13                                     ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-24  8:17                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-24 11:43                                         ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-24 12:55                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-23  8:19                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-23 12:29                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-23 13:38                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-24  1:55                                       ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-24  2:38                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-24  3:52                                           ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-24  8:28                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-17 16:56                         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-10 19:47             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-11  3:21               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-11 13:33                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-11 14:04                   ` Stephen Leake
2003-09-11 21:05                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-11 22:01                       ` Stephen Leake
2003-09-11 23:04                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-12  4:36                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-15  8:20                       ` olehjalmar kristensen - Sun Microsystems - Trondheim Norway
2003-09-15 16:47                         ` Dmytry Lavrov
2003-09-16  7:48                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-16 15:24                           ` Mark A. Biggar
2003-09-18  5:24                         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-09-18  8:28                           ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-09-22 15:34                             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-22 16:26                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-23  8:34                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-23 10:49                             ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-09-23 13:57                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-24  1:47                               ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-24  2:03                                 ` Stephane Richard
2003-09-24  2:26                                   ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-24 10:49                                     ` Stephane Richard
2003-09-24  3:03                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-11 17:25                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-11 20:56                     ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-09-11 23:10                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-11 23:33                         ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-09-12  4:03                         ` tmoran
2003-09-12  5:02                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-12 20:11                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-13 17:05                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-13 17:31                                 ` Stephane Richard
2003-09-13 19:07                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-14  1:38                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-14 19:53                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-15  8:33                                     ` olehjalmar kristensen - Sun Microsystems - Trondheim Norway
2003-09-14 20:14                                   ` Robert C. Leif
2003-09-15 15:09                               ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-16  4:32                                 ` Amir Yantimirov
2003-09-12 16:02                           ` Stephen Leake
2003-09-12 18:17                             ` Ed Falis
2003-09-14  1:41                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-15 17:00                               ` Stephen Leake
2003-09-11 21:38                     ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-11 23:19                       ` Hyman Rosen
     [not found]                     ` <u9v2mvgt0ih71a8i780bmos6nrik4v23l9@4ax.com>
2003-09-15  9:33                       ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-16  7:56                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-17  1:00                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-17 15:42                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-12  4:00                   ` Amir Yantimirov
2003-09-12  8:30                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-11  8:53               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-12 17:28                 ` Can MI be supported? (Was: Is the Writing on the Wall for Ada?) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-13 18:31                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-14  1:50                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-14 23:33                     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-15  1:24                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-15 14:08                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-16 20:33                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-08 14:36         ` Is the Writing on the Wall for Ada? Ed Falis
2003-09-08 14:55           ` olehjalmar kristensen - Sun Microsystems - Trondheim Norway
2003-09-08 16:35             ` Ed Falis
2003-09-08 17:35             ` Robert Spooner
2003-09-09  7:17               ` olehjalmar kristensen - Sun Microsystems - Trondheim Norway
2003-09-09  1:47       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-09  6:46         ` Russ
2003-09-09  8:19           ` Dr. Michael Paus
2003-09-11  3:03             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-09 20:35           ` Wes Groleau
2003-09-14  6:24   ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-14 10:51     ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-09-14 12:49       ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-14 19:59         ` Russ
2003-09-15  0:46           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-15  7:11             ` Russ
2003-09-15 17:48               ` Wes Groleau
2003-09-17  0:29                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-17  4:56                   ` Wes Groleau
2003-09-17 19:10                     ` Russ
2003-09-17 20:13                       ` Martin Dowie
2003-09-18  6:48                         ` Mark A. Biggar
2003-09-18 16:06                           ` Martin Dowie
2003-09-18 21:00                             ` Wes Groleau
2003-09-18 22:37                           ` Russ
2003-09-19 20:14                           ` Robert A Duff
2003-09-23 10:48                       ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-09-23 18:59                         ` Russ
2003-09-24 14:17                           ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-09-25  0:42                             ` Russ
2003-09-25  8:22                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-09-25  9:11                               ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-09-25 11:29                                 ` Is the Writing on the Wall for Ada? [although this thread changed to something else a long time ago] Jeff C,
2003-09-25 11:34                                   ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-09-25 11:36                                   ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-09-25 11:39                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-09-25 19:11                                   ` Russ
2003-09-25 19:40                                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-09-25 19:56                                     ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-09-26  7:55                                       ` Russ
2003-09-26  9:58                                         ` Ludovic Brenta
2003-09-26 13:05                                         ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-09-26 18:41                                     ` Pascal Obry
2003-09-26 19:59                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2003-09-27 19:09                                         ` Russ
2003-09-27 22:43                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2003-09-28  3:12                                             ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-09-28 10:56                                             ` Preben Randhol
2003-09-29 19:37                                               ` Randy Brukardt
2003-09-28  8:36                                           ` Pascal Obry
2003-09-28  1:29                                         ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-09-25 15:55                                 ` Is the Writing on the Wall for Ada? Wes Groleau
2003-09-25 16:11                                   ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-09-25 16:36                                   ` Stephen Leake
2003-09-25 23:41                                     ` Russ
2003-09-26 19:45                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2003-09-28  8:48                                         ` Russ
2003-09-28 14:32                                           ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-28 23:38                                             ` Russ
2003-09-29 20:07                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2003-09-22 13:15                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-23  7:05                       ` Russ
2003-09-23  8:10                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-18  5:05               ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-09-14 22:45     ` Wes Groleau
2003-09-07  6:19 ` Mike Silva
2003-09-07  6:58 ` David Marceau
2003-09-07 21:55   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-08 12:57   ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-07 13:23 ` chris
2003-09-11  7:19   ` David Marceau
2003-09-14  6:41     ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-14  6:34   ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-07 14:20 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-09 14:39   ` Dmytry Lavrov
2003-09-07 15:41 ` Ludovic Brenta
2003-09-07 19:06   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-10  4:43   ` John R. Strohm [this message]
2003-09-10 16:35     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-14  6:55       ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-07 16:13 ` Robert C. Leif
2003-09-07 22:21   ` chris
2003-09-07 23:31     ` Christopher Browne
2003-09-07 23:10       ` chris
2003-09-08  2:11         ` Christopher Browne
2003-09-08 15:01     ` Robert C. Leif
2003-09-08 15:51       ` chris
2003-09-10  6:09         ` Robert C. Leif
2003-09-13 11:57       ` Michael Erdmann
2003-09-10  4:44   ` John R. Strohm
2003-09-10 14:15     ` Ludovic Brenta
2003-09-10 16:40       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-11  0:01         ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-12 12:39           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-08  0:34 ` Jeffrey Creem
2003-09-08  1:36 ` David Emery
2003-09-08 20:07   ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-08  3:40 ` William J. Thomas
2003-09-08 19:36   ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-08 21:14     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-09  8:28       ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-10 19:09         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-11 17:07           ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-11 21:36             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-13  2:23               ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-15  6:58                 ` Dmytry Lavrov
2003-09-15  9:17                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-08  8:56 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-08 19:50   ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-09  8:36     ` Peter Amey
2003-09-09  8:43     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-10  0:53       ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-10  8:22         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-10 12:36           ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-10 13:48             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-10 16:56             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-10 20:08             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-11 12:35               ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-11 13:51                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-12  5:45                   ` Management, was:Is " Anders Wirzenius
2003-09-12  9:00                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-12 12:39                   ` Is " Marin David Condic
2003-09-12 16:50                     ` tmoran
2003-09-12 16:50                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-13 12:25                       ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-13 19:16                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-13  3:48                     ` Russ
2003-09-13 12:27                       ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-14 22:30                         ` Robert C. Leif
2003-09-15 16:38                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
     [not found]                   ` <wvbrisnulbiy.fsf@sun.com>
2003-09-16 15:20                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-16 16:38                       ` Stephane Richard
2003-09-17 12:26                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-17 12:56                           ` Stephane Richard
2003-09-10 16:45           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-12 18:55           ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-15 12:38             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-16  1:36               ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-16 13:12                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-17  3:15                   ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-17 16:08                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-17 22:16                       ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-18  7:56                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-18 18:46                           ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-19  8:17                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-20  1:44                               ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-22 11:48                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-22 13:38                                   ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-09-22 14:22                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-22 16:45                                       ` Steffen Huber
2003-09-23  8:15                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-23 16:00                                           ` Steffen Huber
2003-09-24  8:42                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-24 14:15                                               ` Steffen Huber
2003-09-22 18:24                                       ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-09-23  4:05                                         ` Amir Yantimirov
2003-09-25 17:13                                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-23  8:32                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-23  7:17                                       ` Russ
2003-09-24  2:17                                         ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-23 16:06                                       ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-09-23 16:57                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-25 17:16                                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-23  2:05                                   ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-23  9:14                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-24  2:52                                       ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-24  9:45                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-25  2:51                                           ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-25  9:07                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-25 21:12                                               ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-26  8:48                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-26 17:22                                                   ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-29  8:43                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-08 12:43 ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-08 19:15 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-09-09 16:48   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-09 21:16     ` Ed Falis
2003-09-10 16:58       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-10 12:46     ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-08 19:58 ` Gautier Write-only
2003-09-13 17:52 ` Stephane Richard
2003-09-15 16:31   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-16  0:22     ` Ed Falis
2003-09-16  0:38     ` Stephane Richard
2003-09-15 16:34   ` chris
2003-09-14 17:03 ` JM
2003-09-14 21:05   ` Russ
2003-09-14 21:37   ` Wes Groleau
2003-09-15 16:34   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-15 18:07     ` Dmytry Lavrov
2003-09-16  0:29 ` Inheritance was " chris
2003-09-16 21:41   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-25 18:04 ` Jan Kroken
2003-09-25 21:50   ` Stephen Leake
2003-09-25 22:06     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-26  1:53       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-26  2:31         ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-26  5:40           ` Pascal Obry
2003-09-26  8:51           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-26 10:47             ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-26 10:56               ` Stephane Richard
2003-09-26 13:00                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-26 17:43                   ` Stephen Leake
2003-09-26 19:07                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-26 22:27                     ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-26 22:59                       ` tmoran
2003-09-26 23:16                       ` Wes Groleau
2003-09-26 17:41           ` Stephen Leake
2003-09-26 19:32             ` Randy Brukardt
2003-09-29  2:46           ` Craig Carey
2003-09-30  2:20             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-30  3:24               ` tmoran
2003-09-30 12:33                 ` (see below)
2003-09-30 20:50                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-30 22:13                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-09-30  7:01               ` Preben Randhol
2003-09-30 12:30                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-30 12:35                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-09-30 13:02                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-30 14:28                   ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2003-09-30 21:01                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-30 22:01                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-10-01 12:47                         ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-10-01 17:36                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-01 20:15                             ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-10-02  7:29                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-02 14:18                               ` Counter-proposal for variable arrays Wes Groleau
2003-10-03 20:29                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-03 21:06                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-04  8:31                                     ` Pascal Obry
2003-10-04 12:10                                       ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-05  6:03                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-06 16:05                                         ` Pascal Obry
2003-10-07  9:23                                           ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-10-08  8:57                                             ` Pascal Obry
2003-10-10  3:12                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-08  7:01                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-04  8:33                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-05  5:52                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-06 13:12                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-08  6:56                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-08  7:36                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-08 17:54                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-09  8:19                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-09 14:33                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-09 16:27                                                     ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-10-16  0:52                                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2003-10-16  7:38                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-17 21:20                                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2003-10-18 10:05                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-02 19:48                               ` Is the Writing on the Wall for Ada? Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-03 20:30                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-03 21:42                                   ` Wes Groleau
2003-10-04  8:33                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-05  0:49                                       ` Wes Groleau
2003-10-06 12:25                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-06 22:57                                           ` Wes Groleau
2003-10-07  8:21                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-16  0:59                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2003-10-16  7:27                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-04  1:43                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-04  8:33                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-04 11:28                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-10-06 12:07                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-08 18:05                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-10-04 13:48                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-06 12:14                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-08 14:16                                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-08 14:58                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-08 23:37                                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-09  7:52                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-10 17:21                                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-30 23:46                       ` Wes Groleau
2003-10-01 12:28                       ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-01 17:51                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-01 12:17                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-01 13:50                       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2003-10-02  0:38                         ` Marin David Condic
     [not found]                           ` <NhMeb.477065$Oz4.311358@rwcrnsc54>
2003-10-02 12:31                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-20  7:43                           ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-10-20 12:20                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-02  4:17                         ` Wes Groleau
2003-10-01 21:54                       ` tmoran
2003-10-02  0:50                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-02 20:03                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-03 12:22                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-03 12:26                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-10-03 12:36                                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-03 14:24                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-10-03 18:13                                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-04  1:49                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-04 12:31                                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-04 13:54                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-04 21:10                                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-06 17:09                                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-10-06 23:26                                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-06 16:47                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-10-08 17:57                                     ` A nongeneric bounded string array type (was Re: Is the Writing on the Wall for Ada?) Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-09 16:47                                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-10-10 17:40                                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-15 16:11                                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-10-16 14:47                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-16 16:39                                               ` A nongeneric bounded string array type (in database code) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-10-16 23:45                                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-17 13:15                                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-10-17 15:05                                                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-17 19:38                                                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-10-17 22:52                                                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-02  9:19                       ` Is the Writing on the Wall for Ada? Preben Randhol
2003-10-02 12:37                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-02 13:07                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-10-02 16:39                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-02 16:44                               ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-20  7:42                       ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-09-30 14:58                   ` Mark A. Biggar
2003-10-01 11:59                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-01 17:33                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-02  1:29                         ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-10-02 12:24                           ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-02 20:50                             ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-10-02 19:15                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-03  1:55                             ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-10-02  4:14                       ` Wes Groleau
2003-09-30 17:43                   ` tmoran
2003-10-02 19:30                   ` Simon Wright
2003-10-20  7:39                   ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-09-30 12:21               ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-30 13:56                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-01 12:34                   ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-02  7:41                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-02 12:42                       ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-02 14:15                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-30 20:42               ` Jeffrey Carter
2003-09-26  3:21       ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-26  0:05   ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-26 12:52   ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-26 13:09     ` chris
2003-09-26 17:46       ` Stephen Leake
2003-09-26 17:57         ` chris
2003-09-29 14:58           ` Stephen Leake
2003-09-26 21:46         ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-27  0:53     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-27 14:34       ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-27 19:24         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-28  2:38         ` Wes Groleau
2003-09-28 14:46           ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-28 19:58             ` Wes Groleau
2003-09-29  3:17             ` Hyman Rosen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-09-16  8:56 Lionel.DRAGHI
2003-09-16 10:56 ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-16 12:06 Lionel.DRAGHI
2003-10-03 21:51 chris
2003-10-03 23:10 ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-03 23:37   ` tmoran
2003-10-04 12:55     ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-04 10:55   ` chris
2003-10-04 13:18     ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-04 14:18       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-04 21:44         ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-04 14:28       ` chris
2003-10-04 22:01         ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-04 22:50           ` chris
2003-10-05 14:41             ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-04  0:42 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-10-04  4:23 ` Chad R. Meiners
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