From: 18k11tm001@sneakemail.com (Russ)
Subject: Re: Other Ada Standards (was Re: SIGada Conference)
Date: 27 Dec 2003 21:56:24 -0800
Date: 2003-12-27T21:56:24-08:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <bebbba07.0312272156.500c9db0@posting.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: bsjppt$9o7$1@a1-hrz.uni-duisburg.de
Georg Bauhaus <sb463ba@l1-hrz.uni-duisburg.de> wrote in message news:<bsjppt$9o7$1@a1-hrz.uni-duisburg.de>...
> Russ <18k11tm001@sneakemail.com> wrote:
>
> : As I wrote in my original post, "with/use A.B;" would be exactly
> : equivalent to "with A.B; use A.B;" It's simple text substitution.
>
> Ah O.K., yes, preprocessing, not Ada.
> Coming back to one of your analogies, "use hammer", let me replace
> "hammer" with "potatoes". If you think of the way recipes are
> written, "with potatoes;" and then "use potatoes"; seems like the
> proper way to state things, namely in the "you need..." sections
> and the "you do..." sections respectively? :-)
But you don't say "with and use potatoes". The problem is that "with"
is a preposition and "use" is a verb, and the two types are never
combined with "and."
> Using another analogy, a building site, you
> "bring Tools;" from the shop and then "apply Tools;" at the site.
> This looks like "with Tools; use Tools;" to me, to be understood
> in contexts that do require separate instructions (shop: with,
> site: use). But I still think analogies won't help.
Again, you don't say, "with and use tools".
> And can a programming language be but grammatically awkward
> if you measure its expressiveness by some (delibarately?) chosen
> subset of natural language?
No, a programming language is not required to use grammatically
correct English, but that is not my point. All I am suggesting is that
Ada should avoid an awkward grammatical construct if a better
alternative is available. I think "with/use" is less awkward, and it
also happens to be shorter.
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2003-12-17 1:01 ` SIGada Conference Stephen Leake
2003-12-17 3:19 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-12-18 6:55 ` Robert C. Leif
2003-12-18 15:23 ` Other Ada Standards (was Re: SIGada Conference) Robert I. Eachus
2003-12-18 18:27 ` Robert A Duff
2003-12-19 7:38 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-12-19 23:10 ` Robert A Duff
2003-12-19 8:51 ` Russ
2003-12-19 17:03 ` tmoran
2003-12-20 0:43 ` Russ
2003-12-19 23:18 ` Robert A Duff
2003-12-20 7:05 ` Russ
2003-12-20 9:06 ` Nick Roberts
2003-12-20 17:43 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-12-22 0:07 ` Russ
[not found] ` <bfcib1-r43.ln1@beastie.ix.netcom.com>
2003-12-22 17:10 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-12-22 18:25 ` Larry Hazel
2003-12-23 16:55 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-12-24 13:17 ` Marin David Condic
2003-12-24 14:57 ` Robert A Duff
2003-12-25 3:26 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-03 19:03 ` Pascal Obry
2003-12-24 20:16 ` Russ
2003-12-24 21:41 ` Robert A Duff
2003-12-25 2:51 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-12-25 3:42 ` Marin David Condic
2003-12-25 6:35 ` Russ
2003-12-25 12:34 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-12-25 15:38 ` Marin David Condic
2003-12-26 20:09 ` Russ
2003-12-27 3:39 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-12-27 7:40 ` Russ
2003-12-27 11:18 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-12-28 5:56 ` Russ [this message]
2003-12-27 11:24 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-12-27 12:21 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-12-28 11:44 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-12-28 13:59 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-12-28 19:43 ` Robert A Duff
2003-12-28 20:47 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-12-28 19:54 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-12-29 6:07 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-12-29 11:28 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-12-29 13:36 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-12-29 6:25 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-12-27 18:43 ` Robert A Duff
2003-12-28 11:45 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-12-28 19:59 ` Robert A Duff
2003-12-30 18:03 ` Peter Richtmyer
2003-12-30 23:02 ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2003-12-27 21:56 ` Russ
2003-12-27 22:52 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-12-28 11:44 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-12-28 18:14 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-12-28 19:55 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-12-29 2:08 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-12-29 11:29 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-12-29 13:44 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-12-29 17:07 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-12-28 23:17 ` Russ
2003-12-28 23:45 ` Wes Groleau
2003-12-27 14:09 ` Marin David Condic
2003-12-27 19:25 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-12-28 1:47 ` Russ
2003-12-23 10:49 ` come from joke (was " Peter Hermann
2003-12-23 12:19 ` come from joke Samuel Tardieu
2003-12-23 17:00 ` Arthur Evans Jr
2003-12-23 22:03 ` Wes Groleau
2003-12-25 0:37 ` Stephane Richard
2003-12-27 1:00 ` John Woodruff
2003-12-24 18:48 ` Simon Wright
2003-12-23 12:39 ` come from joke (was Re: Other Ada Standards (was Re: SIGada Conference) Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-12-23 15:50 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-12-23 16:03 ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-12-23 16:12 ` Peter Hermann
2003-12-22 18:29 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-12-20 19:44 ` tmoran
2003-12-22 18:22 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-12-20 0:39 ` Russ
2003-12-20 1:44 ` unknown
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