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From: 18k11tm001@sneakemail.com (Russ)
Subject: Re: status of Ada STL?
Date: 16 Jun 2002 11:23:48 -0700
Date: 2002-06-16T18:23:48+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <bebbba07.0206161023.6073fd3a@posting.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: uu1o31wbb.fsf@wanadoo.fr

Pascal Obry <p.obry@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message news:<uu1o31wbb.fsf@wanadoo.fr>...
> 18k11tm001@sneakemail.com (Russ) writes:
> 
> > I also happen to think that Ada's awkward syntax is part of the
> > problem. My proposal for a cleaner Ada syntax option can be found at
> > http://RussP.org/Ada.htm
> 
> Of course this is not Ada anymore... Do you think it is a good idea to
> push a new language to have Ada more widely used ?

Yes, it IS still essentially Ada, because you can still use standard
Ada compilers. A simple pre-processor could convert the cleaner
dialect to standard Ada 95, and ANYONE WHO WANTS TO CONTINUE TO USE
STANDARD ADA 95 COULD CONTINUE TO DO SO.

I really don't understand the objection to my proposal. Ada advocates
keep telling me they like Ada's syntax and it doesn't need to be
changed. But the question is not whether CURRENT Ada users like it;
the question is why so few OTHER programmers are showing any interest
in Ada, despite it's superior fundamental design.

When programmers take a first look at a new language, the first thing
they see is the syntax. Ever heard the old expression, "The first
impression is the most important one."? And no, I am not claiming that
my syntax proposal is the entire answer, but I do believe it would be
a modest step in the right direction.



  reply	other threads:[~2002-06-16 18:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 188+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-06-14  7:21 status of Ada STL? Russ
2002-06-14 16:29 ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-14 18:44 ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-14 20:34 ` Ehud Lamm
2002-06-15 18:52   ` Russ
2002-06-16  2:42     ` David Marceau
2002-06-16  8:07     ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-16 18:23       ` Russ [this message]
2002-06-16 19:01         ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-16 19:04         ` Vinzent Hoefler
2002-06-17  1:59           ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-06-17  6:48             ` Russ
2002-06-17  7:04               ` Dale Stanbrough
2002-06-18  6:16                 ` Russ
2002-06-19  1:07                   ` Dale Stanbrough
2002-06-17  9:38               ` chris.danx
2002-06-17 15:53               ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-18  7:52                 ` Russ
2002-06-18 10:57                   ` chris.danx
2002-06-18 14:38                   ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 16:19                     ` Brian Rogoff
2002-06-18 17:12                       ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-06-18 18:03                         ` Brian Rogoff
2002-06-18 19:24                           ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-06-18 19:41                             ` Brian Rogoff
2002-06-25  0:02                         ` Steven Deller
2002-06-25  1:24                           ` Yet another assignment variation (was Re: status of Ada STL?) Dale Stanbrough
2002-06-25 12:53                             ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-06-25 17:48                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-06-26  3:13                             ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 19:03                     ` status of Ada STL? Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 19:54                       ` Brian Rogoff
2002-06-18 21:09                         ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 23:36                           ` Brian Rogoff
2002-06-19  1:37                             ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-19 16:25                               ` Brian Rogoff
2002-06-19 18:53                                 ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-19 20:23                                   ` Brian Rogoff
2002-06-19  3:57                           ` Russ
2002-06-18 21:55                   ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-06-19  5:32                     ` Russ
2002-06-19 12:37                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-06-20  6:50                         ` Russ
2002-06-20 12:21                           ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-20 21:42                           ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-06-20 18:20                             ` Russ
2002-06-21 10:27                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-06-20 18:21                             ` Russ
2002-06-20 19:09                             ` Russ
2002-06-17 17:16               ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-18  5:27                 ` Russ
2002-06-17 17:17               ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-17 21:40             ` Vinzent Hoefler
2002-06-17  5:20           ` Russ
2002-06-17  8:22             ` chris.danx
2002-06-17 14:00               ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-06-17 15:57               ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-18  6:12               ` Russ
2002-06-18  8:16                 ` chris.danx
2002-06-18 14:52                   ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 16:02                     ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-18 16:54                       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-18 22:58                         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2002-06-18 19:09                     ` Robert A Duff
     [not found]                     ` <ud6uolglz.fsf@w <wccsn3kxv3g.fsf@shell01.TheWorld.com>
2002-06-19  8:09                       ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-19  3:04                   ` Russ
2002-06-19 16:40                     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-19 18:07                       ` Brian Rogoff
2002-06-18  9:37                 ` Fraser Wilson
2002-06-18 15:45                   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-19 16:55                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2002-06-19 19:13                     ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-20  7:43                       ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-06-22 22:05                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2002-06-17 21:40             ` Vinzent Hoefler
2002-06-18 15:05               ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 22:36                 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2002-06-19 12:45                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-06-19 14:35                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-21 11:03                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-06-21 16:58                         ` Mark Biggar
2002-06-22 23:23                           ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-06-27  3:00                       ` David Thompson
2002-06-28 13:36                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-30  4:05                           ` Russ
2002-06-30 13:50                             ` Ted Dennison
2002-07-01 13:12                             ` Marin David Condic
2002-07-02 19:56                           ` Robert A Duff
     [not found]                           ` <bebbba07.0206292005.45ad915a@p <wcc4rfhj43l.fsf@shell01.TheWorld.com>
2002-07-02 20:40                             ` Pat Rogers
2002-06-18 15:21             ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-19  0:34               ` tmoran
2002-06-19  2:55               ` Russ
2002-06-19  4:53                 ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-19  8:21                 ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-19 14:52                 ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-20  1:45                 ` SteveD
2002-06-20  2:01                   ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-16 20:01         ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-17  5:29           ` Russ
2002-06-16 23:02         ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-17  5:07           ` Russ
2002-06-17 14:03             ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-06-17 14:11             ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-18  5:55               ` Russ
2002-06-18 14:30                 ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-18 15:14                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-19 14:19                     ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-19 16:05                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-19  5:58                   ` Russ
2002-06-19 14:35                     ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-20  7:06                       ` Russ
2002-06-20 12:27                         ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-20 23:22                           ` Russ
2002-06-21  2:00                             ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-22  4:28                               ` Russ
2002-06-22 15:05                                 ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-21  8:48                             ` Ian Wild
2002-06-22  4:54                             ` Russ
2002-06-20 22:47                   ` Russ
2002-06-21  0:43                     ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-22  4:05                       ` Russ
2002-06-22 14:41                         ` Jano
2002-06-22 20:27                         ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-21 13:12                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-24  8:29                       ` Russ
2002-06-24 20:19                         ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-06-18 22:36                 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2002-06-18 22:42                   ` Ed Falis
2002-06-19  0:07                     ` Vinzent Hoefler
2002-06-19  0:07                   ` Vinzent Hoefler
2002-06-17 22:37             ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-06-17 14:09               ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-06-18 21:40                 ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-06-18 16:04         ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 16:37           ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-18 18:56             ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 22:20               ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-19 12:53               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-06-19  3:37           ` Russ
2002-06-19  8:31             ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-20  7:58               ` Russ
2002-06-20 20:34                 ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-21  4:07                   ` Russ
2002-06-17 15:33     ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-18 10:28       ` Adrian Hoe
2002-06-19  7:58         ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2002-06-19 13:55           ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-19 13:52         ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-18 15:23           ` Matthew Heaney
2002-09-19 12:11             ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-19 14:13               ` Hyman Rosen
2002-09-20 12:24                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-22  7:22                   ` Kevin Cline
2002-09-23 13:55                     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-09-19 19:42               ` Randy Brukardt
2002-09-20 12:38                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-27 21:21                   ` Michael Bode
2002-09-27 22:11                     ` Pat Rogers
2002-09-28 13:25                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-28 14:52                         ` Pat Rogers
2002-09-28 15:18                           ` Martin Dowie
2002-09-29 18:02                           ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-29 19:02                             ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-09-30  1:36                               ` Marin David Condic
2002-10-02 22:17                     ` Matthew Heaney
2002-09-28 17:25                 ` Richard Riehle
2002-09-30 17:12                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-10-01 18:41                     ` Randy Brukardt
2002-10-02  8:38                       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2002-10-02 12:43                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-10-02 14:26                           ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2002-10-02 12:30                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-18  1:56     ` SteveD
2002-06-18 14:12       ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 14:28         ` chris.danx
2002-06-18 15:59           ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-18 18:58           ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 19:58           ` Randy Brukardt
2002-06-19 14:07             ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-19  2:19         ` SteveD
2002-06-18 11:40     ` Colin Paul Gloster
2002-06-20 15:15       ` Colin Paul Gloster
2002-06-18 19:34     ` Mike Silva
2002-06-25 16:31     ` Kevin Cline
2002-06-14 20:34 ` Dan Andreatta
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-06-17 11:05 Grein, Christoph
2002-06-18  5:36 ` Russ
2002-06-26 10:50 Grein, Christoph
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