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From: Georg Bauhaus <sb463ba@d2-hrz.uni-duisburg.de>
Subject: Re: SPAM-less email (was If anybody wants to make something in Adabut
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 20:10:31 +0000 (UTC)
Date: 2003-04-19T20:10:31+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b7safn$aat$1@a1-hrz.uni-duisburg.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3E9FAA18.1040909@crs4.it

Jacob Sparre Andersen <sparre@crs4.it> wrote:
: 
: In some countries it is illegal to send unsolicited commercial e-mail 
: (or to make unsolicited commercial phone calls).  So if you set up your 
: mail server to reject unsigned messages with a polite comment requesting 
: that people sign their letters with a valid identifiable signature (and 
: maybe also a reference to the rules about unsolicited commercial 
: e-mail), you would be able to catch the senders of unsolicited 
: commercials and thus most likely be able to scare them from sending 
: anything to you in the first place.

That sounds just like the old way of catching senders when
they didn't have a fake email address, with flaming to follow.
One or more central signature verifying authorities are
certainly problematic in that someone will have to guarantee
absence of abuse of the data base. We don't manage absence
of abuse of spam mail, so there...
If you want the possibility of anonymous email, not just for
aquiring customers, but also in the form of a cry for
help of a person who had better not identify himself or herself
to the surveilling governmental sniffers in, say, Costa Peligrosa,
then a signiture is as fatal as an address that can be tracked down.
Mail abuse is a social, organisational problem, and cannot be solved
ignoring its social characteristic.
In a world where money is part of decision making, money is one
powerful means to control things, absent better solutions like
knowledgeable polititians and knowledgeable judges. (Or a better
world in general :-)
So if email trafic has to be paid for, counting every mail,
spammers will think twice, because they must make a decision
like everyone else who advertizes the traditional way. The
decision criteria will be both about money and possible punishment.
Social pressure is needed.

The technical difficulty then is to find a way to make sure
every email is handled only if an electric stamp is present.


-- Georg



  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-04-19 20:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-04-16 12:53 If anybody wants to make something in Ada but do not know what Preben Randhol
2003-04-16 13:59 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-04-16 16:10   ` rd
2003-04-16 16:34     ` SPAM-less email (was If anybody wants to make something in Ada but do not know what) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-04-16 17:00       ` SPAM-less email (was If anybody wants to make something in Ada but Larry Kilgallen
2003-04-16 17:43         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-04-16 18:03           ` Samuel Tardieu
2003-04-16 18:48             ` SPAM-less email (was If anybody wants to make something in Ada tmoran
2003-04-16 20:58               ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-04-17 16:51             ` SPAM-less email (was If anybody wants to make something in Ada but Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-04-17 21:54               ` Robert A Duff
2003-04-17 22:39                 ` AG
2003-04-18  8:27                 ` Preben Randhol
2003-04-17 23:38               ` SPAM-less email (was If anybody wants to make something in Adabut Randy Brukardt
2003-04-18  0:06                 ` AG
2003-04-18  0:32                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-04-18  0:48                     ` AG
2003-04-18  2:10                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-04-18  3:13                         ` AG
2003-04-18  4:50                           ` tmoran
2003-04-18 11:26                             ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-04-18 11:23                         ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                         ` <g3Kna.5120$mZ4.89596@news.xtra.co.nzOrganization: LJK Software <JKMUgN4L70TN@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2003-04-19  6:36                           ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-04-21 18:50                     ` Randy Brukardt
2003-04-18  7:32                 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-04-18 11:32                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-04-19  4:45                     ` [way off-topic] A new spammer is born? Wesley Groleau
2003-04-19 20:10                   ` Georg Bauhaus [this message]
2003-04-19 21:15                     ` SPAM-less email (was If anybody wants to make something in Adabut AG
2003-04-20 15:31                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-04-21  3:33                         ` Wesley Groleau
2003-04-16 19:19           ` SPAM-less email (was If anybody wants to make something in Ada Larry Kilgallen
2003-04-16 21:38       ` SPAM-less email (was If anybody wants to make something in Ada butdo not know what) rd
2003-04-16 22:03         ` Samuel Tardieu
2003-04-17  0:16           ` rd
2003-04-17 16:59           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-04-17 16:58         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-04-17 22:02         ` Robert A Duff
2003-04-16 19:16     ` If anybody wants to make something in Ada but do not know what Pascal Obry
2003-04-16 19:42       ` Samuel Tardieu
2003-04-24 13:55   ` Frode Tenneboe
2003-04-28 16:00     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-04-28 17:28       ` Preben Randhol
2003-04-28 19:53         ` Wesley Groleau
2003-04-29  6:14           ` Preben Randhol
2003-04-29 17:40       ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-04-16 17:52 ` Jano
2003-04-16 18:43 ` Wesley Groleau
2003-04-16 20:03   ` Randy Brukardt
2003-04-16 20:01 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-04-16 23:21   ` Wesley Groleau
2003-04-17  8:05     ` AG
2003-04-17 16:52       ` Wesley Groleau
2003-04-17 22:02         ` AG
2003-04-17 22:58     ` Randy Brukardt
2003-04-19  6:28       ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-04-23 19:32         ` Robert C. Leif
2003-04-24  1:35           ` Wesley Groleau
2003-04-16 23:26   ` Wesley Groleau
2003-04-17 22:28     ` Randy Brukardt
2003-04-30 12:44 ` Frank
2003-04-30 19:59   ` Free SVG tools Nick Roberts
2003-05-02  4:54     ` Steve Bowen
2003-05-02 20:12       ` Martin Holmes
2003-05-03 18:54         ` Steve Bowen
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