From: "Chad R. Meiners" <crmeiners@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Spark] Arrays of Strings
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 02:20:15 -0400
Date: 2003-04-11T02:20:15-04:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <b75n2u$gs8$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1049986095.779228@master.nyc.kbcfp.com
"Hyman Rosen" <hyrosen@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1049986095.779228@master.nyc.kbcfp.com...
> Getting rid of features that are presumed to cause problems is a bit of
> hubris that language designers always seem to fall victim to. Ada itself
> had a huge problem because the designers thought that function pointers
> could be eliminated. Spark gets rid of all pointers, Java gets rid of
> templates, and so on and so on.
You are missing the point of Spark which is to provide a (super)subset of
Ada in which formal proofs about the implementation are possible. Lack of
pointers was not a case of hubris but a deliberate and sound decision in
Spark's case. Formal validation and verification methodologies require
unambiguous specifications and implementations. Spark is intended to
satisfy such formal needs.
> Then everyone who uses these languages has to figure out how to work
> around the lack of the feature they need, essentially duplicating it in
> some kludgy way. Meanwhile the language designers have their heads in the
> sand and their noses in the air while they pat themselves on the back (:-)
> in self-congratulation on how they have created perfection.
Of one should know something about a language before one chooses to
overgeneralize ;)
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Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-04-08 12:02 [Spark] Arrays of Strings Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-04-08 18:08 ` Martin Krischik
2003-04-09 9:23 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-04-09 12:38 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-04-09 12:47 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-04-09 14:27 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-04-09 15:13 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-04-09 17:21 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-04-09 18:41 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-04-09 21:04 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-04-10 23:21 ` John R. Strohm
2003-04-11 12:19 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-04-11 13:14 ` John R. Strohm
2003-04-09 7:50 ` Eric G. Miller
2003-04-09 8:10 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-04-09 18:23 ` Matthew Heaney
2003-04-09 17:42 ` Matthew Heaney
2003-04-09 21:06 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-04-10 8:23 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-04-10 14:09 ` Matthew Heaney
2003-04-10 14:48 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-04-11 6:20 ` Chad R. Meiners [this message]
2003-04-11 12:31 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-04-11 18:27 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-04-11 7:35 ` Phil Thornley
2003-04-11 12:05 ` Marin David Condic
2003-04-11 13:19 ` John R. Strohm
2003-04-12 23:09 ` Robert A Duff
2003-04-11 18:47 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-04-12 23:51 ` Robert A Duff
2003-04-13 5:47 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-04-14 8:05 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-04-10 15:02 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-04-10 15:50 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-04-10 18:32 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-04-11 6:28 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-04-11 8:11 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-04-11 12:32 ` Rod Chapman
2003-04-11 14:50 ` Peter Amey
2003-04-11 18:41 ` Matthew Heaney
2003-04-11 21:25 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-04-12 10:08 ` Peter Amey
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