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From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: function Is_Open (File : File_Type) return Boolean; :Text_io
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 10:31:49 +0100
Date: 2015-10-31T10:31:49+01:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b0qn4s2ievhr.qfoi16ezp3o0.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: n10f12$96c$1@dont-email.me

On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 20:07:18 +0100, G.B. wrote:

> On 30.10.15 17:20, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 15:32:16 +0100, G.B. wrote:
>>
>>> On 30.10.15 09:39, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:
>>>> The concern is safe design. If [program] B has bugs it cannot be
>>>> relied on to determine if it has them.
>>>
>>> Uhm, so what?  Which kind of program is relied upon to determine
>>> if it has bugs or not?
>>
>> A program that contains run-time checks for bugs.
> 
> I don't think anybody says that, nor does "contract based design",

Anybody but you?

>> Positive of *what*?
> 
> Positive of what we now have learned may (not) be the desired outcome.

Thus:

"Detecting a false positive needs to be assessed empirically."

reads as

"Somebody needs empirically assess misinterpretation of desired outcomes as
undesired outcomes..."

May I suggest, for a start, do not misinterpret anything, then you won't
need to assess that later... (:-))

>> You first need a workable (...) definition of a correct
>> program
> 
> What makes you assume that a specific, formalistic definition of
> a correct program is the workable one?

Easy. Any non-contradictory definition is workable.

> Except per the narrow situation-excluding circularity of
> "work" = "operation":

Workable here = logically consistent.

You seem are under a [false] impression that since ideal circles do not
exist the car wheels can be made square...

-- 
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de


  reply	other threads:[~2015-10-31  9:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-10-26 10:00 function Is_Open (File : File_Type) return Boolean; :Text_io comicfanzine
2015-10-26 11:27 ` Simon Wright
2015-10-26 13:25   ` comicfanzine
2015-10-26 18:01     ` Simon Wright
2015-10-26 19:03       ` AdaMagica
2015-10-27 11:30         ` Simon Wright
2015-10-26 18:02     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-10-26 13:28   ` comicfanzine
2015-10-26 15:07     ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2015-10-26 16:37     ` AdaMagica
2015-10-26 20:46     ` J-P. Rosen
2015-10-27  8:42   ` comicfanzine
2015-10-27 11:34     ` Simon Wright
2015-10-28 13:32       ` comicfanzine
2015-10-27  8:51   ` comicfanzine
2015-10-27 17:15     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-10-26 22:48 ` Bob Duff
2015-10-27  8:30   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-10-27 13:30     ` Bob Duff
2015-10-27 14:00       ` G.B.
2015-10-27 15:26       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-10-27 16:43         ` G.B.
2015-10-27 20:04           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-10-28 11:06             ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-10-28 17:58               ` Randy Brukardt
2015-10-28 18:20               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-10-28 20:36                 ` Bob Duff
2015-10-28 21:02                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-10-29 11:25                     ` AdaMagica
2015-10-29 13:37                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-10-29 17:57                         ` AdaMagica
2015-10-29 18:12                           ` AdaMagica
2015-10-29 18:26                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-10-30  8:27                           ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2015-10-30  9:11                             ` J-P. Rosen
2015-10-29 11:47                 ` G.B.
2015-10-29 13:01                   ` J-P. Rosen
2015-10-29 14:00                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-10-30  1:06                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-10-30  8:39                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-10-30 14:32                         ` G.B.
2015-10-30 16:20                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-10-30 19:07                             ` G.B.
2015-10-31  9:31                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2015-10-31 11:17                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-10-30 14:40                         ` G.B.
2015-10-30 16:26                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-10-28 20:07         ` Bob Duff
2015-10-28 20:59           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-10-27 14:02     ` G.B.
2015-10-27 15:10       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-10-27 16:41         ` G.B.
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