From: Maciej Sobczak <see.my.homepage@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: a new language, designed for safety !
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 14:05:17 -0700 (PDT)
Date: 2014-06-14T14:05:17-07:00 [thread overview]
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W dniu piątek, 13 czerwca 2014 10:36:49 UTC+2 użytkownik Dmitry A. Kazakov napisał:
> 1. From the language design POV, everything possible must be moved out the
> language into the library.
What if we treat the standard library as part of the language? Anyway, the border is fuzzy, as there are things at the library level that require dedicated language magic to work.
> If Ada were a better language, array could be a
> library container.
Assembly language fits that ideal, right?
> If Ada were a worse language containers must have been
> implemented at the language level.
This is an extremist view and quite unfounded.
Let try: dynamic memory. Ada has a built-in operator (new) for dynamic allocation of objects. The C programming language move the dynamic allocation to the library (malloc and friends). How would you compare these two approaches in terms of the language being better or worse?
If you are fine with the "new" operation at the language level, why not dictionaries?
I don't see any objective rules here, only subjective opinions.
> 2. Associative arrays are made by their non-functional requirements. The
> implementations hugely differ if task-safety, persistence, search/index
> heuristics required/available.
Oh, dynamic memory is the same in this aspect. Should it be in the language or in the library?
--
Maciej Sobczak * http://www.msobczak.com * http://www.inspirel.com
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2014-06-03 1:37 a new language, designed for safety ! Nasser M. Abbasi
2014-06-04 0:21 ` Luke A. Guest
2014-06-04 1:19 ` Dan'l Miller
2014-06-04 4:05 ` Dan'l Miller
2014-06-04 6:59 ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-06-04 4:12 ` Dan'l Miller
2014-06-04 5:44 ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-06-04 15:25 ` Dan'l Miller
2014-06-04 19:43 ` Robert A Duff
2014-06-04 21:32 ` Simon Clubley
2014-06-05 9:13 ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2014-06-05 15:33 ` Adam Beneschan
2014-06-05 19:19 ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-06-05 15:55 ` Adam Beneschan
2014-06-05 19:15 ` sbelmont700
2014-06-05 22:40 ` Robert A Duff
2014-06-06 15:13 ` Dan'l Miller
2014-06-06 17:51 ` G.B.
2014-06-06 18:39 ` Niklas Holsti
2014-06-06 19:43 ` Robert A Duff
2014-06-06 20:42 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-06-08 9:40 ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-06-08 13:56 ` Robert A Duff
2014-06-08 16:13 ` Dan'l Miller
2014-06-08 17:22 ` J-P. Rosen
2014-06-08 19:36 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-06-09 5:30 ` Niklas Holsti
2014-06-09 7:06 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-06-09 16:07 ` Dan'l Miller
2014-06-10 7:44 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-06-10 16:31 ` Dan'l Miller
2014-06-10 16:52 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-06-06 18:52 ` Robert A Duff
2014-06-06 22:50 ` Simon Clubley
2014-06-23 0:40 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2014-06-23 0:43 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2014-06-23 0:51 ` Shark8
2014-06-23 1:47 ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2014-06-23 6:46 ` Shark8
2014-06-23 14:17 ` Peter Chapin
2014-06-23 15:39 ` Dan'l Miller
2014-06-23 17:04 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-06-05 8:26 ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-06-09 10:03 ` Pascal Obry
2014-06-10 9:36 ` Stephen Leake
2014-06-10 10:48 ` Luke A. Guest
2014-06-10 18:31 ` Pascal Obry
2014-06-23 1:01 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2014-06-10 12:28 ` Simon Clubley
2014-06-10 12:42 ` Lucretia
2014-06-10 12:50 ` J-P. Rosen
2014-06-10 13:00 ` Lucretia
2014-06-10 14:43 ` Brad Moore
2014-06-10 15:15 ` J-P. Rosen
2014-06-10 20:28 ` Simon Clubley
2014-06-10 20:39 ` Pascal Obry
2014-06-10 21:04 ` Simon Clubley
2014-06-11 7:17 ` Pascal Obry
2014-06-25 22:37 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2014-06-10 22:09 ` Luke A. Guest
2014-06-12 23:58 ` Shark8
2014-06-13 1:28 ` Luke A. Guest
2014-06-25 22:41 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2014-06-26 1:36 ` Shark8
2014-06-26 10:19 ` J-P. Rosen
2014-06-25 22:40 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2014-06-26 7:39 ` Luke A. Guest
2014-06-26 7:42 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2014-06-26 10:07 ` Luke A. Guest
2014-06-26 10:18 ` J-P. Rosen
2014-07-02 22:06 ` Randy Brukardt
2014-06-11 0:16 ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-06-11 7:29 ` Simon Clubley
2014-06-11 19:22 ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-06-12 11:48 ` Simon Clubley
2014-06-12 16:59 ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-06-10 15:33 ` Lucretia
2014-06-10 16:31 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-06-10 19:34 ` Tero Koskinen
2014-06-11 6:46 ` Natasha Kerensikova
2014-06-11 8:45 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-06-11 9:05 ` Simon Wright
2014-06-11 12:09 ` Simon Clubley
2014-06-11 12:34 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-06-11 12:42 ` björn lundin
2014-06-11 13:04 ` Lucretia
2014-06-11 12:11 ` björn lundin
2014-06-10 19:49 ` J-P. Rosen
2014-06-10 22:09 ` Luke A. Guest
2014-06-11 9:01 ` Simon Wright
2014-06-16 16:22 ` Randy Brukardt
2014-06-16 17:11 ` Ada platforms and pricing, was: " Simon Clubley
2014-06-17 19:34 ` Randy Brukardt
2014-06-17 20:16 ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-06-18 5:56 ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-06-18 6:34 ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2014-06-18 19:57 ` Simon Clubley
2014-06-19 3:46 ` Randy Brukardt
2014-06-22 19:50 ` Simon Clubley
2014-06-22 23:38 ` Randy Brukardt
2014-06-23 6:18 ` Niklas Holsti
2014-06-23 7:42 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-06-23 11:17 ` Simon Wright
2014-06-23 17:14 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-06-23 19:21 ` Dan'l Miller
2014-06-23 20:14 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-06-23 21:48 ` Simon Wright
2014-06-24 1:18 ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2014-06-24 2:15 ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-06-24 7:51 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-06-23 21:52 ` Simon Wright
2014-06-24 1:04 ` Dan'l Miller
2014-06-26 3:24 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2014-06-26 3:27 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2014-06-24 1:01 ` Shark8
2014-06-24 10:24 ` Simon Wright
2014-06-24 11:25 ` Dan'l Miller
2014-06-24 15:55 ` Shark8
2014-06-24 18:06 ` Dan'l Miller
2014-06-24 18:44 ` Dan'l Miller
2014-06-24 18:49 ` Shark8
2014-06-24 21:25 ` Dan'l Miller
2014-06-24 16:48 ` Simon Wright
2014-06-26 3:41 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2014-06-23 20:40 ` Simon Wright
2014-06-24 7:48 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-06-23 11:48 ` G.B.
2014-06-24 7:52 ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-06-24 8:33 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-07-01 10:28 ` Simon Wright
2014-07-01 12:41 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-06-26 2:50 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2014-06-26 10:04 ` G.B.
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2014-06-25 17:24 ` Niklas Holsti
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2014-06-23 7:31 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-06-23 20:08 ` Randy Brukardt
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2014-06-17 20:27 ` Luke A. Guest
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2014-06-18 18:47 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
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