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From: "David Wright" <davidw@uq.net.au>
Subject: Re: Why is Ada a good choice for an ambitious beginner to programming
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 19:45:17 +1000
Date: 2003-01-10T09:44:20+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <avm4lk$qct$1@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3E1E353A.3EC76758@adaworks.com


"Richard Riehle" <richard@adaworks.com> wrote in
message news:3E1E353A.3EC76758@adaworks.com...
: "John R. Strohm" wrote:
:
: > MIT uses Scheme in the first-semester freshman
programming course.  See
: > "Structure and Interpretation of Computer
Programs", by Abelson and Sussman.
:
: UC Cal at Berkeley was doing the same for a while.
Have not checked recently
: to see if they still are.
:
: The important idea here is that any respectable
computer science program should
: ensure that students understand both imperative and
functional programming.
: Scheme,
: Haskell, ML, or some other functional language will
do just fine for the
: functional
: language.  Ada is probably a good choice for the
imperative language.
:
: Even so, every computer science program should have a
class in comparative
: programming languages so students get a strong whiff
of Smalltalk, Ada, LISP,
: C++, Eiffel, and various other languages.
:
: Richard Riehle

It was with enormous pleasure that I read this post.
The notion of comparative language instruction was
precisely my raw newbie intuition in my message here of
23rd December, 02 ; the subsequent lack of affirmation
had me doubting my sanity and, even worse, my common
sense!

Obviously, the devil is in the detail as to timing,
scope and sequence; an *in-depth* comparative analysis
would clearly be futile for a complete beginner,
perhaps even a 'false beginner'. However, there must be
ways of usefully conveying comparative information
early, before a beginner (e.g., me!) rushes in to
follow the C, C++ or Java crowd and either gets turned
off with frustration or hyper-committed and blinkered
to any other worthwhile paradigm or language.

It seems to me that even the notion of examining
different programming paradigms at an "entry" or
"beginner" level is anathema or at least a novel idea.
For example, Richard Riehle properly distinguishes
between imperative and functional languages. Yet
neither the MS Computer Dictionary nor Prentice Halls
Dictionary of Computing contains an entry for
'imperative'. And even after reading several
introduction to programming texts, e.g. Perry, Wang,
Dale, Hennefeld, I am none-the-wiser as to the precise
meaning of this elementary term and must surmise that
it is synonymous with 'structural' and subsumes
languages such as Basic, Pascal, Ada, and C.

With the self-teaching hobbyist and non-tertiary
inclined in mind, would it really be such an invidious
task for someone to condescend to write a "Comparative
Programming Paradigms and Languages" for (Inquisitive)
Dummies? <8-))

Rhetorically yours
David Wright








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Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-12-21  3:30 Why is Ada NOT a good choice for a beginner to programming? David Wright
2002-12-21  5:44 ` sk
2002-12-23 14:29   ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-23 17:36     ` sk
2002-12-23 18:24       ` David Wright
2002-12-23 19:16         ` sk
2002-12-23 19:48           ` David Wright
2002-12-23 21:33             ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-23 21:17           ` Robert A Duff
2002-12-24 19:22             ` faust
2002-12-24  0:46               ` Robert A Duff
2002-12-24  9:41                 ` Pascal Obry
2002-12-25  4:43                 ` faust
2002-12-27 17:54                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-01-02 13:50                     ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-25  7:24                 ` AG
2003-01-02  9:56                   ` John McCabe
2003-01-02 13:47                 ` Wes Groleau
2003-01-08 19:39                   ` faust
2003-01-08  2:44                     ` Jeffrey Creem
2003-01-08 18:54                       ` Wes Groleau
2003-01-08 19:48                         ` chris.danx
2003-01-08 21:59                           ` Wes Groleau
2003-01-09 15:31                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-01-10  3:26                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-10 22:58                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-01-10  3:51                               ` Kevin Cline
2003-01-10 13:29                               ` Wes Groleau
2003-01-11 12:09                               ` Richard Riehle
2003-01-11 18:13                                 ` Wes Groleau
2003-01-09 16:52                           ` faust
2003-01-08 21:57                             ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-01-09  0:59                       ` faust
2003-01-09  0:59                       ` faust
2003-01-08 13:14                         ` Ted Dennison
2003-01-08 17:41                         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-01-09 16:40                           ` faust
2003-01-08 21:58                             ` Vinzent Hoefler
2002-12-23 21:30         ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-23 22:11           ` David Wright
2002-12-30 16:22         ` Mark
2002-12-24  0:50     ` Craig Carey
2002-12-29 14:44       ` Colin Paul Gloster
2002-12-21  8:39 ` arvids lemchens
2002-12-21  8:53 ` Gautier
2002-12-21  9:42 ` Craig Carey
2002-12-21 10:44 ` Dale Stanbrough
2002-12-21 15:47   ` Alfred Hilscher
2002-12-21 19:01     ` tmoran
2002-12-22  1:06       ` Robert C. Leif
2002-12-23 14:56         ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-23 11:05       ` Alfred Hilscher
2002-12-22  0:34     ` James S. Rogers
2002-12-23 11:11       ` Alfred Hilscher
2002-12-23 14:32         ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-23 19:54         ` tmoran
2002-12-21 10:51 ` Why is Ada a good choice for an ambitious beginner to programming Wojtek Narczynski
2002-12-22 14:40   ` Bill Findlay
2002-12-22 15:08     ` Bill Findlay
2002-12-22 23:02       ` David Wright
2002-12-23  1:36         ` Bill Findlay
2002-12-23  2:13           ` David Wright
2002-12-23 14:40           ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-27 21:25             ` Randy Brukardt
2002-12-23 11:52     ` Wojtek Narczynski
2002-12-23 14:12       ` Bill Findlay
2002-12-23 20:15         ` Wojtek Narczynski
2002-12-24 19:29           ` Bill Findlay
2002-12-24 22:56             ` Wojtek Narczynski
2002-12-24 23:31               ` Bill Findlay
2002-12-24 23:36               ` Adrian Knoth
2002-12-25  8:23             ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-27 17:27               ` Kevin Cline
2002-12-28  1:56                 ` Bill Findlay
2002-12-28  2:13                   ` Bill Findlay
2002-12-29  6:07                   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-23 20:52         ` Wojtek Narczynski
2002-12-23 20:07     ` chris.danx
2003-01-02 10:04     ` John McCabe
2003-01-02 21:32       ` Bill Findlay
2003-01-04 22:55         ` David Wright
2003-01-05  0:50           ` Bill Findlay
2003-01-05  2:18             ` David Wright
2003-01-05  3:57               ` John R. Strohm
2003-01-10  2:51                 ` Richard Riehle
2003-01-10  9:45                   ` David Wright [this message]
2003-01-10 10:59                     ` Richard Riehle
2003-01-11 17:47                     ` u.r. faust
2003-01-06  9:43               ` John McCabe
2003-01-06 10:05         ` John McCabe
2003-01-06 11:13           ` Bill Findlay
2003-01-10  2:58           ` Richard Riehle
2003-01-10  9:29             ` John McCabe
2002-12-21 11:57 ` Why is Ada NOT a good choice for a beginner to programming? David Marceau
2002-12-21 15:59 ` Alfred Hilscher
2002-12-21 17:48 ` Britt Snodgrass
2002-12-21 20:05 ` Peter Hend�n
2002-12-22  1:54 ` faust
2002-12-22  1:28   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-22  2:11     ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-12-22 22:49     ` faust
     [not found] ` <u7m2ua.qk3.ln@beastie.ix.netcom.com>
2002-12-23 14:55   ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-24 14:01 ` W D Tate
2002-12-24 20:06   ` Rod Haper
2002-12-25  0:37   ` noone
2002-12-26 13:23     ` W D Tate
2002-12-26 20:37       ` David Starner
2002-12-27 14:02         ` W D Tate
2003-01-13 12:18 ` John English
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