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From: "David Wright" <davidw@uq.net.au>
Subject: Why is Ada NOT a good choice for a beginner to programming?
Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:30:34 +1000
Date: 2002-12-21T03:37:17+00:00	[thread overview]
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Hello from DownUnder...

I would appreciate some general advice from experienced Ada programmers,
particularly (but not only) those using it as a teaching vehicle for
Computer Science courses etc.

As a young adult investigating learning programming as a hobby
(self-teaching on PC, Windows 98), I�ve been lurking for a while and have
looked at some relevant Ada sites. My purpose is to gradually and thoroughly
learn  computing constructs and ultimately to apply same and see how far I
can take this interest. I'm not making a career of it... well not yet
anyway.

To this end, I obviously need to commit to a particular language programming
environment (not necessarily a GUI development interface); yet there seem to
be several hurdles to even this crucial initial step.  It seems that there
are three essential threshold requirements, namely:

1) A free (preferably) downloadable programming environment that is installs
without fuss and instability
2) Good online and hardcopy support (tutorials and textbooks) for a BEGINNER
PROGRAMMER per se, not just beginners with that LANGUAGE
3) An online community that has a tradition of supporting such beginners to
programming.

BASIC and PASCAL very!! clearly fulfill these criteria and I am tempted to
start with one of them. However the posts of Richard Riehle and others on
this and other newsgroups speak so highly of Ada�s functionality and syntax
clarity that it�s hard to overlook this as a possibility.

On the other hand, and with the best will in the world, I can�t see that Ada
satisfies ANY of the three criteria above, though I am willing/wanting to be
convinced otherwise.

Specific Questions:
1) Am I not giving Ada sufficient credit for being a suitable entry-level
language for a BEGINNING PROGRAMMER?

2) Would you recommend that I immerse myself in either BASIC (QBasic) or
PASCAL (Borland TP7) for a couple of years (yes, OK... forget BASIC ;D) and
THEN springboard to Ada?

3) If you were to opt for Ada as an entry point, which particular dialect or
environment would be the most user friendly from a set up and
�learning-the-fundamentals� point of view. Since I have a choice, I�d like
an Ada encounter that is a FUN experience, rather than marred by
gratuitious, buggy FRUSTRATION (which is why I'm not keen on beginning with
C, C++ or Java, even though others do).

Please accept that I am not trying to offend anyone; it�s just that this
initial phase is somewhat forbidding to a neophyte and I need to be a
critical, hype-detecting, cynic ;D.

Many thanks in advance.

David.








             reply	other threads:[~2002-12-21  3:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 119+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-12-21  3:30 David Wright [this message]
2002-12-21  5:44 ` Why is Ada NOT a good choice for a beginner to programming? sk
2002-12-23 14:29   ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-23 17:36     ` sk
2002-12-23 18:24       ` David Wright
2002-12-23 19:16         ` sk
2002-12-23 19:48           ` David Wright
2002-12-23 21:33             ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-23 21:17           ` Robert A Duff
2002-12-24 19:22             ` faust
2002-12-24  0:46               ` Robert A Duff
2002-12-24  9:41                 ` Pascal Obry
2002-12-25  4:43                 ` faust
2002-12-27 17:54                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-01-02 13:50                     ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-25  7:24                 ` AG
2003-01-02  9:56                   ` John McCabe
2003-01-02 13:47                 ` Wes Groleau
2003-01-08 19:39                   ` faust
2003-01-08  2:44                     ` Jeffrey Creem
2003-01-08 18:54                       ` Wes Groleau
2003-01-08 19:48                         ` chris.danx
2003-01-08 21:59                           ` Wes Groleau
2003-01-09 15:31                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-01-10  3:26                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-10 22:58                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-01-10  3:51                               ` Kevin Cline
2003-01-10 13:29                               ` Wes Groleau
2003-01-11 12:09                               ` Richard Riehle
2003-01-11 18:13                                 ` Wes Groleau
2003-01-09 16:52                           ` faust
2003-01-08 21:57                             ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-01-09  0:59                       ` faust
2003-01-09  0:59                       ` faust
2003-01-08 13:14                         ` Ted Dennison
2003-01-08 17:41                         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-01-09 16:40                           ` faust
2003-01-08 21:58                             ` Vinzent Hoefler
2002-12-23 21:30         ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-23 22:11           ` David Wright
2002-12-30 16:22         ` Mark
2002-12-24  0:50     ` Craig Carey
2002-12-29 14:44       ` Colin Paul Gloster
2002-12-21  8:39 ` arvids lemchens
2002-12-21  8:53 ` Gautier
2002-12-21  9:42 ` Craig Carey
2002-12-21 10:44 ` Dale Stanbrough
2002-12-21 15:47   ` Alfred Hilscher
2002-12-21 19:01     ` tmoran
2002-12-22  1:06       ` Robert C. Leif
2002-12-23 14:56         ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-23 11:05       ` Alfred Hilscher
2002-12-22  0:34     ` James S. Rogers
2002-12-23 11:11       ` Alfred Hilscher
2002-12-23 14:32         ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-23 19:54         ` tmoran
2002-12-21 10:51 ` Why is Ada a good choice for an ambitious beginner to programming Wojtek Narczynski
2002-12-22 14:40   ` Bill Findlay
2002-12-22 15:08     ` Bill Findlay
2002-12-22 23:02       ` David Wright
2002-12-23  1:36         ` Bill Findlay
2002-12-23  2:13           ` David Wright
2002-12-23 14:40           ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-27 21:25             ` Randy Brukardt
2002-12-23 11:52     ` Wojtek Narczynski
2002-12-23 14:12       ` Bill Findlay
2002-12-23 20:15         ` Wojtek Narczynski
2002-12-24 19:29           ` Bill Findlay
2002-12-24 22:56             ` Wojtek Narczynski
2002-12-24 23:31               ` Bill Findlay
2002-12-24 23:36               ` Adrian Knoth
2002-12-25  8:23             ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-27 17:27               ` Kevin Cline
2002-12-28  1:56                 ` Bill Findlay
2002-12-28  2:13                   ` Bill Findlay
2002-12-29  6:07                   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-23 20:52         ` Wojtek Narczynski
2002-12-23 20:07     ` chris.danx
2003-01-02 10:04     ` John McCabe
2003-01-02 21:32       ` Bill Findlay
2003-01-04 22:55         ` David Wright
2003-01-05  0:50           ` Bill Findlay
2003-01-05  2:18             ` David Wright
2003-01-05  3:57               ` John R. Strohm
2003-01-10  2:51                 ` Richard Riehle
2003-01-10  9:45                   ` David Wright
2003-01-10 10:59                     ` Richard Riehle
2003-01-11 17:47                     ` u.r. faust
2003-01-06  9:43               ` John McCabe
2003-01-06 10:05         ` John McCabe
2003-01-06 11:13           ` Bill Findlay
2003-01-10  2:58           ` Richard Riehle
2003-01-10  9:29             ` John McCabe
2002-12-21 11:57 ` Why is Ada NOT a good choice for a beginner to programming? David Marceau
2002-12-21 15:59 ` Alfred Hilscher
2002-12-21 17:48 ` Britt Snodgrass
2002-12-21 20:05 ` Peter Hend�n
2002-12-22  1:54 ` faust
2002-12-22  1:28   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-22  2:11     ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-12-22 22:49     ` faust
     [not found] ` <u7m2ua.qk3.ln@beastie.ix.netcom.com>
2002-12-23 14:55   ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-24 14:01 ` W D Tate
2002-12-24 20:06   ` Rod Haper
2002-12-25  0:37   ` noone
2002-12-26 13:23     ` W D Tate
2002-12-26 20:37       ` David Starner
2002-12-27 14:02         ` W D Tate
2003-01-13 12:18 ` John English
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2002-12-21 15:47 Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2002-12-23 14:48 ` Wes Groleau
2003-01-10  6:38 Grein, Christoph
2003-01-10  8:21 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-10 15:51 ` Kevin Cline
2003-01-10 19:00 ` Kevin Cline
2003-01-10  8:35 Grein, Christoph
2003-01-10  9:26 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-13 16:49 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-13  6:13 Grein, Christoph
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