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From: "Marin David Condic" <mcondic.auntie.spam@acm.org>
Subject: Re: New Ada compiler for .NET
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 10:12:02 -0500
Date: 2002-11-28T15:12:56+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <as5bpo$uej$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 4519e058.0211270931.64615740@posting.google.com

Ted Dennison <dennison@telepath.com> wrote in message
news:4519e058.0211270931.64615740@posting.google.com...
>
> Just yesterday I was told that free trial downloads of the SoftIce
> debugger for NT  device drivers (NT kernel-mode debugger) were no
> longer available because the government is afraid of terrorists using
> it. Not one person has ever been proven killed by computers under the
> control of malicous coders, while there are quite a few incidents of
> buggy code killing people unintentionally. If we were *really*
> concered about hacker-terrorists, or even computers causing meyhem in
> general, we should be discouraging unsafe languages like C, not
> debuggers.
>
In fairness, you might consider that they might not be so much concerned
with terrorists killing people with software as they might have a concern
about terrorists using the software to disrupt computers and cause havoc.
Note the amount of damage that has been caused in the past by cyberpunks
spreading viruses, etc., costing large sums of money and other intangible
losses to businesses. I don't know about SoftIce and what it does, so it
might or might not present a threat and the government might or might not be
acting stupidly. Its just that there are more ways to hurt people than
simply blowing them up.

OTOH, if its a readily available commercial product, taking it off the
internet isn't really doing much to stop the dedicated, well funded,
professional terrorist, is it? Maybe just reducing the risk of nefarious use
by cyberpunks - which might be a wise objective. But it does seem a little
like closing the barn door after the horses have all run off. We'd be far
wiser to fund the development of a much more secure OS and reduce the ways
in which cyberpunks or terrorists can do damage. (Maybe we can get a
government contract under the auspices of "Homeland Defense"? :-)

MDC
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-11-28 15:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 182+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-11-26 21:03 New Ada compiler for .NET Martin Carlisle
2002-11-26 21:28 ` Pascal Obry
2002-11-26 22:23   ` Jerry van Dijk
2002-11-27  8:30     ` Pascal Obry
2002-11-28 11:39       ` Dr. Michael Paus
2002-11-28 17:56         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-11-28 22:21           ` Pascal Obry
2002-11-29  8:22             ` Dr. Michael Paus
2002-11-27 12:48   ` Gautier
2002-11-27 17:31   ` Ted Dennison
2002-11-27 18:37     ` chris.danx
2002-11-27 18:39       ` chris.danx
2002-11-28  2:46     ` Robert C. Leif
2002-11-28 18:03       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-11-29 20:25         ` Robert C. Leif
2002-11-30 14:00           ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-12-01 19:02           ` Richard Riehle
2002-12-02 23:01             ` Adam Kingsl
2002-12-03  0:27               ` Iran, was " tmoran
2002-12-05 11:15               ` Preben Randhol
2002-12-05 18:45                 ` Christopher Campbell
2002-12-05 19:06                   ` James S. Rogers
2002-12-06 12:52                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-12-06 14:47                     ` Safety Group
2002-12-06 20:04                     ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-12-07 15:43                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-12-05 20:01                 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-06 13:18                   ` Preben Randhol
2002-12-06 15:08                     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-06 15:35                       ` Preben Randhol
2002-12-06 16:19                         ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-06 16:34                           ` Christopher Campbell
2002-12-06 18:10                             ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-06 15:39                       ` Preben Randhol
2002-12-06 16:27                         ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-06 17:02                           ` Preben Randhol
2002-12-06 18:13                             ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-06 15:51                       ` Christopher Campbell
2002-12-06 16:41                         ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-06 16:46                           ` Christopher Campbell
2002-12-06 18:16                             ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-21 17:40                   ` faust
2002-12-22  1:40                     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-23  7:39                     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-23 11:09                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-12-23 14:39                         ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-05 20:52                 ` OT Hatred (was Re: New Ada compiler for .NET) Chad R. Meiners
2002-12-05 23:06                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-12-06 20:22                     ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-12-07 15:18                     ` Preben Randhol
2002-12-09  6:36                       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-10  4:33                       ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-10 14:46                         ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-10 21:49                           ` Michal Nowak
2002-12-10 22:14                             ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-13 22:17                               ` Michal Nowak
2002-12-16  4:58                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-19 19:12                                   ` Michal Nowak
2002-12-11  3:56                             ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-11  4:24                               ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-11 19:48                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-12  4:49                                   ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-12  5:11                                     ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-13 23:00                                       ` chris.danx
2002-12-15 15:54                                         ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-16  2:25                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-12 16:53                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-13 19:29                                 ` Programmer Dude
2002-12-11 14:28                               ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-11 12:57                           ` John English
2002-12-11 14:52                             ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-13 22:49                               ` chris.danx
2002-12-16  4:53                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-17 13:03                                   ` John English
2002-12-17 16:31                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-18 17:13                                       ` John English
2002-12-18 19:03                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-19 17:32                                           ` tmoran
2002-12-19 22:35                                           ` Michael Bode
2002-12-19 23:15                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-20  0:17                                             ` James S. Rogers
2002-12-21 22:08                                               ` Michael Bode
2002-12-22  1:46                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-24 15:35                                                 ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-25  8:14                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-20  1:48                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-12-06  3:28                   ` Smooth Sailor
2002-12-06  8:56                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-12-06 12:57                       ` Preben Randhol
2002-12-06 15:52                         ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-06 15:52                           ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-06 14:57                       ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-06 16:26                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-12-07  0:31                     ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-12-07  4:57                       ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-07  4:57                       ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-07  7:06                         ` Eric G. Miller
2002-12-09  5:11                           ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-09  4:24                             ` James S. Rogers
2002-12-09  5:48                             ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-09  5:54                               ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-09 20:41                                 ` Ed Cogburn
2002-12-10  3:17                                   ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-10  2:44                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-10 10:12                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-12-10 14:37                                     ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-16 15:02                                   ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-16 22:41                                     ` Ed Cogburn
2002-12-17  2:48                                       ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-09 16:17                               ` P S Norby
2002-12-09 13:37                             ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-07 19:07                         ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-12-08  0:09                           ` James S. Rogers
2002-12-09  5:43                             ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-09 17:09                               ` P S Norby
2002-12-10 13:03                                 ` Robert Kaiser
2002-12-10 14:58                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-10 17:49                                     ` Robert Kaiser
2002-12-10 18:28                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-16  8:58                                         ` Robert Kaiser
2002-12-09 17:47                               ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-09 17:53                                 ` P S Norby
2002-12-09 17:56                                 ` P S Norby
2002-12-09 20:22                                   ` Preben Randhol
2002-12-09 21:07                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-10  8:51                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-12-10 14:48                                   ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-09 20:20                                 ` Preben Randhol
2002-12-09 20:46                                   ` Ed Cogburn
2002-12-09 22:13                                     ` Preben Randhol
2002-12-10  3:18                                       ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-09 21:11                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-07 23:08                         ` Christopher Campbell
2002-12-09 13:36                       ` OT [Recipe against] " Georg Bauhaus
2002-12-09 14:43                         ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-12-11  9:11                     ` OT " Thierry Lelegard
2002-12-11 14:50                       ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-11 14:54                       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-21 17:32                 ` New Ada compiler for .NET faust
2002-12-22  1:49                   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-22  3:52                     ` Ed Falis
2002-12-22 22:51                     ` faust
2002-12-22  4:48                       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-23  1:33                         ` faust
2002-12-22  6:48                           ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-23  6:29                             ` faust
2002-12-23  5:59                     ` Hillel Y. Sims
2002-12-21 17:33                 ` Chomsky ( was Re: New Ada compiler for .NET) faust
2002-11-28 11:41     ` New Ada compiler for .NET Dr. Michael Paus
2002-11-28 12:32       ` John English
2002-11-28 14:36         ` Dr. Michael Paus
2002-11-28 14:26           ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-11-29  3:00           ` Moe
2002-11-28 14:06     ` Preben Randhol
2002-11-28 15:12     ` Marin David Condic [this message]
2002-11-28 16:26       ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-12-01  0:27         ` tmoran
2002-12-01 13:22           ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-12-02 17:19             ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-02 23:46               ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-12-03 19:42                 ` separating Politics from Reality Wes Groleau
2002-12-04 15:23                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-11-27  3:23 ` New Ada compiler for .NET Richard Riehle
2002-11-28 15:19   ` Marin David Condic
2002-11-29  2:23     ` Richard Riehle
2002-11-27  4:02 ` William J. Thomas
2002-11-27  4:19 ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
2002-11-28  9:01 ` Ingo Marks
2002-12-17 10:00   ` Martin Dowie
2002-12-17 13:57     ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-12-17 19:46       ` Martin Dowie
2002-12-17 21:00         ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2002-12-17 22:32           ` Martin Dowie
2002-11-28 16:45 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2002-12-01  9:25   ` Martin Dowie
2003-01-04 18:43 ` Michael Erdmann
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2002-11-27 18:12 Soeren.Henssel-Rasmussen
2002-11-27 18:57 ` Pascal Obry
     [not found] <000201c297e5$6e405510$789a0844@robertqgx6k4x9>
2002-11-29 21:49 ` sk
2002-12-22 14:09 Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2002-12-23  3:53 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-23  4:36   ` SteveD
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